Indeed, the same tracklist; the real surprise that was wendy time was rapidly left off.
Not even the same track list. There were different sets played at different shows. Read the set lists if you don't believe me. Even Johannesburg was different to Cape Town, which was different to Sydney & different to Pink Pop & different again to Glasto. So, you are, in fact, wrong. Granted they repeated certain sets at different places, but that's the festival circuit for you & that's what always happens & yet people alway whine about it as if it was a surprise.
I wasn't speaking about the 'special shows' (SA, Mexico, Sydney); but come on steve... this year they have particularly stuck with the same tracks, just adding one here, taking off one there, and only mainly switching song orders. I believe it's this year that the track list has been more constant through a tour! The 'surprises' were wendy time and doing the unstuck. want and let's go to bed also maybe. I believe that's it....
I wasn't speaking about the 'special shows' (SA, Mexico, Sydney); but come on steve... this year they have particularly stuck with the same tracks, just adding one here, taking off one there, and only mainly switching song orders. I believe it's this year that the track list has been more constant through a tour! The 'surprises' were wendy time and doing the unstuck. want and let's go to bed also maybe. I believe that's it....
You are still wrong. As I said before, read the setlists. They DID NOT play the same set every night this year. Did you see them? Was it a bad show? It was a festival circuit and you know full well what to expect. As was documented in many interviews. I wish people would quit moaning when they know full well what's coming.
Moreover, why should one venue get a different set to another? That smacks of entitlement to me. Especially when some people think it's their birth right to have Faith played for them. They played a tour. They played very well. What's the problem?
Post by nothingleftbutfaith on Nov 5, 2019 23:05:23 GMT 1
The need (I guess?) for a constantly changing setlist some people feel is fascinating to me. It may be because I'm among the younger people here, but while changing setlists are absolutely amazing in my opinion, they are not something I feel comfortable with feeling owed or entitled to. Most of the time when I have seen an artist of a certain size (and therefore certain production size) I have been able to look up the setlist beforehand. As far as I can tell that seems to be the norm these days at least. (And believe it or not, I've heard people say they prefer non-changing setlists so that they know what they are going to!)
As for The Cure and the summer festivals specifically: As steve has mentioned, Robert has repeatedly stated that he wants the band to be a great part of the audience's festival experience and that that means that certain songs has to be played and that they can't stay for too long in too much of a doomy and gloomy mood. Furthermore, I think it is important to take into account what the band has been up to this year. It seems obvious to me that they most likely have had less rehearsal time ahead of the tour due to rehearsals for the Disintegration anniversary shows as well as writing and recording a new album! I feel like this is probably the chief reason for the smaller pool of songs they have pulled from this tour and that is to my mind perfectly reasonable. But back to the whole festival thing, festivals are so different from a headline show. The percentage of the crowd that isn't hardcore fans make up a large part, probably (in some (most?) cases definitely) even the majority, of the audience. In order for the atmosphere to be good, you have to do some crowd pleasing in order to not lose the crowd entirely. These are largely drunk people in the mood for a party with good music. And to be fair to The Cure, their sets have not been super festival friendly - they have been long for festivals, big on mood and not all greatest hits, even saving most of them for the 'two minutes to put my pophead on' encore. Which brings me to my last point, generally, but especially in a festival setting: a well crafted setlist is more important than constant changes to the set (to me). A setlist that builds, releases, and drops at the right moments is incredibly powerful. The hills and valleys of emotions that the mainset has created this summer as they built to Disintegration or One Hundred Years (and on one occasion A Forest) have been incredible. And then that pop-party encore - festival perfection!
I saw them at Rock En Seine, was very very happy about it, enjoyed the concert, and everything. That said, and i've read it plenty of times, we all knew what kind of setlist to expect when the date arrived. I don't really know where you see the differences. I know what they do usually on tours, i know that these were festivals, i never ever said i wanted doom and gloom or any other thing, i'm not even complaining, i'm just making a comment, i believe they(ve stuck with their festival setlist more than ever. No problem. You disagree. Fine.
The need (I guess?) for a constantly changing setlist some people feel is fascinating to me. It may be because I'm among the younger people here, but while changing setlists are absolutely amazing in my opinion, they are not something I feel comfortable with feeling owed or entitled to. Most of the time when I have seen an artist of a certain size (and therefore certain production size) I have been able to look up the setlist beforehand. As far as I can tell that seems to be the norm these days at least. (And believe it or not, I've heard people say they prefer non-changing setlists so that they know what they are going to!)
As for The Cure and the summer festivals specifically: As steve has mentioned, Robert has repeatedly stated that he wants the band to be a great part of the audience's festival experience and that that means that certain songs has to be played and that they can't stay for too long in too much of a doomy and gloomy mood. Furthermore, I think it is important to take into account what the band has been up to this year. It seems obvious to me that they most likely have had less rehearsal time ahead of the tour due to rehearsals for the Disintegration anniversary shows as well as writing and recording a new album! I feel like this is probably the chief reason for the smaller pool of songs they have pulled from this tour and that is to my mind perfectly reasonable. But back to the whole festival thing, festivals are so different from a headline show. The percentage of the crowd that isn't hardcore fans make up a large part, probably (in some (most?) cases definitely) even the majority, of the audience. In order for the atmosphere to be good, you have to do some crowd pleasing in order to not lose the crowd entirely. These are largely drunk people in the mood for a party with good music. And to be fair to The Cure, their sets have not been super festival friendly - they have been long for festivals, big on mood and not all greatest hits, even saving most of them for the 'two minutes to put my pophead on' encore. Which brings me to my last point, generally, but especially in a festival setting: a well crafted setlist is more important than constant changes to the set (to me). A setlist that builds, releases, and drops at the right moments is incredibly powerful. The hills and valleys of emotions that the mainset has created this summer as they built to Disintegration or One Hundred Years (and on one occasion A Forest) have been incredible. And then that pop-party encore - festival perfection!
Well said.
This is part and parcel of why I decided to skip shows this summer. Festivals. The largely predictable setlists are what you get at festivals. Plus, finishing a new album (hopefully) means less time/focus on rehearsing as many songs for playing live.
It's important to keep in mind this past summer wasn't a TC tour. It was a festival tour, which is more akin to a collaboration. As much as it wasn't a group of shows I would have wanted to hear over and over (hence not watching many of the live feeds), I think TC did the "right thing" in the way they approached the setlists.
Hopefully, we will get to see them play a more diverse setlist in the coming year. We should all keep our fingers crossed.
Hm, don't you think it's easier to do the same thing day after day than doing a new and different thing each day?
hmm, so if they dropped tracks like for eks. shake dog shake, just like heaven and inbetween days, and replaced them with for eks. hot hot hot, a strange day and charlotte sometimes, that would make it more difficult for them? and hence not so easy cash to earn.
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Hm, don't you think it's easier to do the same thing day after day than doing a new and different thing each day?
hmm, so if they dropped tracks like for eks. shake dog shake, just like heaven and inbetween days, and replaced them with for eks. hot hot hot, a strange day and charlotte sometimes, that would make it more difficult for them? and hence not so easy cash to earn.
Exactly. Good point rosered. Then factor in the fact that they are not playing to the same 50k+ audience every show. So why should they play an entirely different set of songs for 20 or so shows? They're playing sets to appeal to a festival crowd that will feature main stays in the set & we all know that. I don't recall anyone complaining that all the Head tour sets were practically the same. Or (despite some encore shuffling) the Dream tour & the Wish tour & the Swing tour.... Just this recent one for some reason. Yeah, we all have our preferences, but we are certainly not the only The Cure fan on the planet & to exclude many thousands of other fans would be abhorrent & unfair.
In fact, yes, if they replace 3 songs by 3 other, even if the difference is minimal in some sort because they master their instruments, it's still a different exercise than playing the same songs, by essence. Ok, it won't change their entire world, i just say doing something different adds a minimal challenge. Thankfully their know their repertoire. That say they never dig really very very very deep into their back catalogue (oh, you will kick me!). On their own tour they rehearse 70-75 songs (it's a lot, fine) they play i don't know 30-35, 30 will be played sometimes, 10-15 rarely. but still, that's fine, and in these case some fans will say 'oh i regret i didn't go to yesterday's gig which setlist was better', some other will complainbthe other way, yeah, some fans always complaining, and i know this year it was about festival, and i know that festival setlist are usually more crowdpleaser, and i know fans have been happy, and i know ... But once again I'm not complaining! 1 - because apparently you didn't get i was only joking about them playing for money 2 - compare to the summer festivals tours from 1990, it's the tour they've made less change. But that's fine!
