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by reclevel
In earlier 1982 shows they only played forever. It wasn't until Bristol April 20th that the first All Mine got played. Then until Olympia, Paris, the very last time, with the most powerful version we all know.
by nausearockpig
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how it differs from All Mine?

i know is based on three... but it is played always different... there is a reason??
I think I posted this somewhere some time ago: Forever/Three is a progression using notes A-A#-A-G#, whereas All Mine uses A-C-A-F/E and they would be improvised live throughout the years, being All Mine only played in 1982.
There are some shows where they played both Forever and All Mine at the end of the show, going from one song into the other, all improvised (Lyon, for example).
ahahah I just spent hours listening before and after dinner to versions with my post half-written then BAM!! you post this lololololololol
by nausearockpig
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What do you mean? It’s origin or why they play it or how it differs from All Mine?
how it differs from All Mine?

i know is based on three... but it is played always different... there is a reason??
Disclaimer: I've always gone along with the assumption that a) all the Forever versions or renditions follow a basic note and chord progression at their cores, and that even though each one is different, they are all the same base song, and that b) All Mine is a different improv song to Forever. By that I mean they have a different base (not bass (i mean, they would have a different bass if they had a different base)), but song / note / chord structure is fundamentally different between all the Forevers and the All Mines.

So, there's a fair bit here.

The live 'Forever' from Faith era - comes from Three. We all pretty much agree on this. If you listen to the bass in Three (more audible in the Alternate Studio Mix from the Deluxe release) you can hear that the song is a simple note progression that repeats: A>A#>A>G# over and over. 
The bass plays this as does the keyboard line.

The same goes for the live version of Forever in the Faith deluxe. There are a lot of guitar flourishes by RS at the beginning, but once the bass kicks in and the 'normal' song starts playing it's the same note / chord progression all the way through. This leaves a lot of room for guitar and vocal improvisation but staying in that simple four chord block (made up of three chords, one repeated). 

Listening to "Forever (Version)" from Curiosity, and The Top Deluxe, aside from all the layered improv sax and all the other things thrown on top that goes with a five piece, the crux of the chord/note progression is still there: A>A#>A>G# over and over.

Same goes for the Peel Session rendition.

I checked the Forever version (ahahahha see what I did there???) on the 21 June 2008 show, and it follows the same chord progression too.

Listening to All Mine from Curiosity, I couldn't make out the bassline, and even when I listened to the full bootleg version, I wasn't able to pick out much in the way of an audible bassline that I could play along to.

I listened to the All Mine renditions from 7 June 1982 and 20 April 1982 but still got nix. I think I've struck gold thanks to MB, of course! His 26 April 1982 tape was really good, and I think that the root of All Mine is a repetitive A to C, just over and over with many flourishes, both on the bass (mainly after the C) and of course the guitar. 

I can't be sure of course but when I was playing along on keyboards it sounded like it fitted. Perhaps someone who knows what they're talking about can confirm or correct me!

The bass is really plucky, and it jumps around after the root notes of A and C to keep the sounds interesting and "bouncy", and the guitar intro and lines all the way through change from leads/melodies to rhythms back and forth and are really quite creative. Then on top of that, there's the ad hoc / ad lib vocals. Amazing.

There is some discussion online about whether Forever and All Mine are the same or different, and this was raised over on Curefans.com many moons ago curefans.com/index.php?topic=566.0 

I don't know if that helps or hinders, but I had a good time playing along, and listening to All Mine and Forever!

by steve

Of all the SBD/ radio broadcasts around I think this is the best sounding one of them all.
Probably has my favourite ever version of Watching Me Fall. Stunning. 
& that version of Open is utterly explosive
by reclevel
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What do you mean? It’s origin or why they play it or how it differs from All Mine?
how it differs from All Mine?

i know is based on three... but it is played always different... there is a reason??
I think I posted this somewhere some time ago: Forever/Three is a progression using notes A-A#-A-G#, whereas All Mine uses A-C-A-F/E and they would be improvised live throughout the years, being All Mine only played in 1982.
There are some shows where they played both Forever and All Mine at the end of the show, going from one song into the other, all improvised (Lyon, for example).