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Setlist opinons Mar 17, 2019 13:23:11 GMT 1 uabf likes this

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!!Topic split off from this thread thecurecommunity.freeforums.net/thread/5580/live-report-march-carnival-johannesburg !!

I'm sure it was a wonderful and unique experience for everyone who was there. I am also pretty sure that I would have enjoyed every minute of it.

I have to say, however, that it makes me very sad that the setlist was built on the same basic structure as the 2016 setlists. I hope that the two concerts in South Africa are just a transition, just as the concerts in Brazil in 1996 only duplicated the festival concerts of 1995. The eternal return of the same, modeled only by the mood of an evening and a place, cannot be the the standard for The Cure. Why is the story they tell us in 2019 still the story of 2016? There are so many songs to choose from. The band's back catalogue is one of the greatest musical treasures of all time.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:23:11 GMT 1 fearofghosts said:

I'm sure it was a wonderful and unique experience for everyone who was there. I am also pretty sure that I would have enjoyed every minute of it.

I have to say, however, that it makes me very sad that the setlist was built on the same basic structure as the 2016 setlists. I hope that the two concerts in South Africa are just a transition, just as the concerts in Brazil in 1996 only duplicated the festival concerts of 1995. The eternal return of the same, modeled only by the mood of an evening and a place, cannot be the the standard for The Cure. Why is the story they tell us in 2019 still the story of 2016? There are so many songs to choose from. The band's back catalogue is one of the greatest musical treasures of all time.

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I completely agree !

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Setlist opinons Mar 17, 2019 13:57:43 GMT 1 picturesofyou, fiveswinglive, and 2 more like this

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Post by steve on Mar 17, 2019 13:57:43 GMT 1

I don't really agree at all.
The SA crowd hasn't had The Cure play there for 40 years. After that long I'd be pretty darn happy with what was played last night.
If it had happened somewhere where they have played on a more or less regular basis, then I think I'd feel a bit cheated.
I don't think there will be wholesale changes to sets this year & there may be one or two new songs thrown in the mix as a teaser for the new album, but they won't play more than 2 or 3 at any given show I don't think.
They tried that in 2004 & no-one knew what the heck they were playing.

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Setlist opinons Mar 17, 2019 14:25:57 GMT 1

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I got you. I didn't expect a setlist full of new songs and hidden gems. But I expect The CURE to tell us a story that adds a new facet to the band's history. (For me) THE CURE always meant pushing back boundaries, trying new things out... So whats's next?

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Setlist opinons Mar 17, 2019 23:04:33 GMT 1

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Post by violaine on Mar 17, 2019 23:04:33 GMT 1

Mar 17, 2019 14:25:57 GMT 1 fearofghosts said:

I got you. I didn't expect a setlist full of new songs and hidden gems. But I expect The CURE to tell us a story that adds a new facet to the band's history. (For me) THE CURE always meant pushing back boundaries, trying new things out... So whats's next?

Good news is, we're likely to find out this year. Not this month but this year.

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Setlist opinons Mar 18, 2019 11:01:32 GMT 1 fatrabbit likes this

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Mar 17, 2019 13:57:43 GMT 1 steve said:

I don't really agree at all.
The SA crowd hasn't had The Cure play there for 40 years. After that long I'd be pretty darn happy with what was played last night.
If it had happened somewhere where they have played on a more or less regular basis, then I think I'd feel a bit cheated.
I don't think there will be wholesale changes to sets this year & there may be one or two new songs thrown in the mix as a teaser for the new album, but they won't play more than 2 or 3 at any given show I don't think.
They tried that in 2004 & no-one knew what the heck they were playing.

During the summer 2004 festivals, there were fantastic setlists in my opinion. This is a proof that festival doesn't mean hits and singles

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Setlist opinons Mar 18, 2019 11:30:50 GMT 1 Pipperoo and uabf like this

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Mar 18, 2019 11:01:32 GMT 1 bloodflowers78 said:

During the summer 2004 festivals, there were fantastic setlists in my opinion. This is a proof that festival doesn't mean hits and singles

Not really. If you strip out all the self titled stuff the sets weren't anything special.
& they played 6 European shows before the self titled was released, sometimes dropping 7 or 8 new songs into the set.
The crowds didn't know any of the new material & the atmosphere was really flat.

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Mar 18, 2019 11:57:06 GMT 1 Pipperoo said:

Yeah even with The Cure I think you still need to hear the album a bit and get into some of the stuff a little to really enjoy it but that is just me.

I seem to even recall Robert saying in an interview that it was a weird atmosphere & maybe a mistake to drop so many new songs into the set

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Setlist opinons Mar 18, 2019 12:42:05 GMT 1

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Mar 18, 2019 11:30:50 GMT 1 steve said:

Mar 18, 2019 11:01:32 GMT 1 bloodflowers78 said:

During the summer 2004 festivals, there were fantastic setlists in my opinion. This is a proof that festival doesn't mean hits and singles

Not really. If you strip out all the self titled stuff the sets weren't anything special.
& they played 6 European shows before the self titled was released, sometimes dropping 7 or 8 new songs into the set.
The crowds didn't know any of the new material & the atmosphere was really flat.

Not special ? Charlotte, faith, Figurehead, Sinking, M, Shake dog shake...for me, it was excellent, short shows (generally) but strong setlists.
Regarding the atmosphere, i think this is subjective, i was really focused and i appreciated intensely the shows i went to.

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Setlist opinons Mar 18, 2019 13:04:36 GMT 1

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Mar 18, 2019 12:42:05 GMT 1 bloodflowers78 said:

Mar 18, 2019 11:30:50 GMT 1 steve said:

Not special ? Charlotte, faith, Figurehead, Sinking, M, Shake dog shake...for me, it was excellent, short shows (generally) but strong setlists.
Regarding the atmosphere, i think this is subjective, i was really focused and i appreciated intensely the shows i went to.

From 14 shows, Faith x2, The Figurehead x2, Charlotte x3, Sinking x3, M x4, SDS x 3.
That's fairly usual to throw in something esoteric from time to time, but they weren't regulars in the set by any stretch.
I think (& I agree with you here) that the sets were comparatively short & by dropping so much new material in kind of swamped them a little bit. It'd be less jarring within the realms of a 3 hour set.

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Setlist opinons Mar 18, 2019 13:30:14 GMT 1

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Post by fatrabbit on Mar 18, 2019 13:30:14 GMT 1

And what about the 2002 festivals setlist !!!???
I still hope for surprises for this summer...

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Setlist opinons Mar 18, 2019 13:35:31 GMT 1 fearofghosts likes this

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Post by czuczu on Mar 18, 2019 13:35:31 GMT 1

The BST show was the first time in a long while (not counting 2nd nights or the weird little Hammersmith charity things) that they didn't play anything at all that I hadn't seen before.

It was a 10/10 performance so not an issue but if that were the case for the 2019 shows when they're allegedly sitting on new stuff then that's not great.

They're also terrible at rotating material throughout a tour. The US got loads of rarities and treats during the first leg that never appeared in Europe.. There's a bunch of stuff that this line up do know how to play that doesn't make the setlist.

On a brighter note, I'm glad 100Y is getting a break! Just replace it with a different album track, please

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Mar 18, 2019 13:35:31 GMT 1 czuczu said:

The BST show was the first time in a long while (not counting 2nd nights or the weird little Hammersmith charity things) that they didn't play anything at all that I hadn't seen before.

It was a 10/10 performance so not an issue but if that were the case for the 2019 shows when they're allegedly sitting on new stuff then that's not great.

They're also terrible at rotating material throughout a tour. The US got loads of rarities and treats during the first leg that never appeared in Europe.. There's a bunch of stuff that this line up do know how to play that doesn't make the setlist.

On a brighter note, I'm glad 100Y is getting a break! Just replace it with a different album track, please

Apropos of that, here's a quote from the 2004 interview steve posted over here

S: There are certain Cure standards now that you guys have to play.

R: [My bandmates] feel that we should be confrontational, but I’m pragmatic. It’s a festival audience, really.

S: Yeah, you’ve got like sixty, seventy thousand people.

R: People are there for other bands as well. It would be nice for every other song draw people back in. Throw in a song that they haven’t heard before then throw in-

S: “I Dig You.”

R: Yeah. You know we haven’t got that in the set. It was an oversight. The idea of doing a setlist now has become kind of an in-joke, because there is no way that I can please anyone, actually, other than myself. We’ll definitely do “A Hundred Years” on Sunday no matter what anyone else in the band says. I’m going to sing it even if they don’t play it.

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