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Last night I finished these ones and I'm amazed. The author, Kazuo Kamimura –who sadly died at the age of 45– had an unbelievable ability and sensibility to build complex women characters and stories about them. And his drawing it's insanely beautiful and delicate. IMHO, a truly masterpiece.

(Haven't found a picture of them in English, I've just in seen them in Japanese, French, Italian and Spanish)

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Sept 29, 2021 18:56:11 GMT 1 gongoro73 said:

Last night I finished these ones and I'm amazed. The author, Kazuo Kamimura –who sadly died at the age of 45– had an unbelievable ability and sensibility to build complex women characters and stories about them. And his drawing it's insanely beautiful and delicate. IMHO, a truly masterpiece.

(Haven't found a picture of them in English, I've just in seen them in Japanese, French, Italian and Spanish)

Oooooh, cool! Given the fact I *think* divorce is probably not really something spoken about much in Japan, this is very intriguing. Maybe I am wrong, though, as I know things are changing.

As a person with ovaries, myself, I'd like to see what these are all about!

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Sept 29, 2021 19:37:13 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

Sept 29, 2021 18:56:11 GMT 1 gongoro73 said:

Oooooh, cool! Given the fact I *think* divorce is probably not really something spoken about much in Japan, this is very intriguing. Maybe I am wrong, though, as I know things are changing.

As a person with ovaries, myself, I'd like to see what these are all about!

You are right @notkristie , divorce, or to be more accurate, divorced women were stigmatized in Japan when Kamimura wrote this, in the early seventies. I'm far from being an expert on japanese culture, in fact, I don't know anything, but from what I've read so far, and this book seems to confirm it, divorced women were really marked out and almost seen as a disgrace by their own families. This book talks about all this, but also talks about maternity, and about certain night jobs were lots of them ended up in: hostess. It also talks about emancipation, feminism, desperation, love, sex, frustration, desire, suicide, happiness, disgrace... It's truly a work of art.

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Sept 30, 2021 2:49:43 GMT 1 gongoro73 said:

Sept 29, 2021 19:37:13 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

Oooooh, cool! Given the fact I *think* divorce is probably not really something spoken about much in Japan, this is very intriguing. Maybe I am wrong, though, as I know things are changing.

As a person with ovaries, myself, I'd like to see what these are all about!

You are right @notkristie , divorce, or to be more accurate, divorced women were stigmatized in Japan when Kamimura wrote this, in the early seventies. I'm far from being an expert on japanese culture, in fact, I don't know anything, but from what I've read so far, and this book seems to confirm it, divorced women were really marked out and almost seen as a disgrace by their own families. This book talks about all this, but also talks about maternity, and about certain night jobs were lots of them ended up in: hostess. It also talks about emancipation, feminism, desperation, love, sex, frustration, desire, suicide, happiness, disgrace... It's truly a work of art.

Oh, I had no idea this work was that old! Yes, back then most certainly divorce would have that impact on women in Japan. I shudder to think about what women would suffer through in a relationship to avoid that kind of stigmatization.

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Sept 30, 2021 13:22:47 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

Sept 30, 2021 2:49:43 GMT 1 gongoro73 said:

You are right @notkristie , divorce, or to be more accurate, divorced women were stigmatized in Japan when Kamimura wrote this, in the early seventies. I'm far from being an expert on japanese culture, in fact, I don't know anything, but from what I've read so far, and this book seems to confirm it, divorced women were really marked out and almost seen as a disgrace by their own families. This book talks about all this, but also talks about maternity, and about certain night jobs were lots of them ended up in: hostess. It also talks about emancipation, feminism, desperation, love, sex, frustration, desire, suicide, happiness, disgrace... It's truly a work of art.

Oh, I had no idea this work was that old! Yes, back then most certainly divorce would have that impact on women in Japan. I shudder to think about what women would suffer through in a relationship to avoid that kind of stigmatization.

mmmmm... I dare to say it's not that old. Sexism is not a thing of the past, as you sure know so well. I'm not talking only about Japan, of course. I think this book could have been written in 2020, not just because of the divorce stigma (wich I guess it has evolved since the 70s), but for so many other things it talks about. In fact, I think it is (sadly) terribly modern.

Apologies for my rudimentary English.

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Sept 30, 2021 13:34:57 GMT 1 gongoro73 said:

Sept 30, 2021 13:22:47 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

Oh, I had no idea this work was that old! Yes, back then most certainly divorce would have that impact on women in Japan. I shudder to think about what women would suffer through in a relationship to avoid that kind of stigmatization.

mmmmm... I dare to say it's not that old. Sexism is not a thing of the past, as you sure know so well. I'm not talking only about Japan, of course. I think this book could have been written in 2020, not just because of the divorce stigma (wich I guess it has evolved since the 70s), but for so many other things it talks about. In fact, I think it is (sadly) terribly modern.

Too true, too true. You couldn't be more right.

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Oct 14, 2021 17:44:55 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

I'm currently reading this, which was written by a friend. I had to take a break halfway through because it's really brutal. I know there are many families out there like hers.

'My rediscovered life' is a frightening sentence.

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Oct 14, 2021 17:44:55 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

I'm currently reading this, which was written by a friend. I had to take a break halfway through because it's really brutal. I know there are many families out there like hers.

I find it absolutely impossible to read friends books, especially fiction but fact/historical too. I think its the knowledge that you're going to get asked about it once you've finished. Too much pressure!

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Oct 14, 2021 18:03:58 GMT 1 gongoro73 said:

Oct 14, 2021 17:44:55 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

I'm currently reading this, which was written by a friend. I had to take a break halfway through because it's really brutal. I know there are many families out there like hers.

'My rediscovered life' is a frightening sentence.

Yeah, it's amazing how someone you *think* you know so well can hide huge things from you. This makes the second friend of mine who lived through this scenario (for one, it was her father who had secretly been gay and was diagnosed with AIDS when she went away to college).

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Oct 14, 2021 18:06:31 GMT 1 czuczu said:

Oct 14, 2021 17:44:55 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

I'm currently reading this, which was written by a friend. I had to take a break halfway through because it's really brutal. I know there are many families out there like hers.

I find it absolutely impossible to read friends books, especially fiction but fact/historical too. I think its the knowledge that you're going to get asked about it once you've finished. Too much pressure!

I can understand feeling that way. I just don't have any qualms about sharing my opinions. The only difficulty as a slightly autistic Sagittarius is not being too blunt.

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