I really miss Boris ... The way he played drums was so intense and creative !!!! It was a part of the Cure's sounding !!! I am sorry for the Cooper's fans (is there any ? πππ), but in my opinion, Robert has made an terrible mistake hiring Cooper !
Cooper does fit to The Cure as much as Reeves Gabrels fit to The Cure, meaning definitely not.
The Cure songs from 1996 to 2008 would have sounded very differently if there were Boris at the drums ... For everyone who dislike 10:13 Dream's album (and even for those who like it), listen to it and try to imagine each song with the Boris drums hits !
That album deserved much better than Cooper, The Cure (as album and as band) deserves much better than Cooper. I really believe it.
Boris and Jason are good friends you know. Just saying.
I really miss Boris ... The way he played drums was so intense and creative !!!! It was a part of the Cure's sounding !!! I am sorry for the Cooper's fans (is there any ? πππ), but in my opinion, Robert has made an terrible mistake hiring Cooper !
Cooper does fit to The Cure as much as Reeves Gabrels fit to The Cure, meaning definitely not.
The Cure songs from 1996 to 2008 would have sounded very differently if there were Boris at the drums ... For everyone who dislike 10:13 Dream's album (and even for those who like it), listen to it and try to imagine each song with the Boris drums hits !
That album deserved much better than Cooper, The Cure (as album and as band) deserves much better than Cooper. I really believe it.
Boris and Jason are good friends you know. Just saying.
You know, just saying, I've met them both with Perry Bamonte in 2001 in the hotel where they stayed, in France (Paris). We had a chat. Do not confuse 'politeness' with 'friendship'. Boris is someone very polite.
I was a bit wary of Jason at first as he was going really splashy with the cymbals, but today I find him a million miles better than Boris. Sure, Boris brought a new dimension to the band's rhythm section but if you are a musician, you will start to realise he was very mechanical in the way he played. Not much in the way of feeling. Not that he's not a great drummer. He is. But Jason is just a lot better & Robert actually loves having Jason in the band for just that reason. If he didn't he wouldn't be the longest serving drummer in their history & one of the best things to happen to the band was Boris leaving. So stop bashing Jason.
Very funny, Steve, to give to Boris exactly the Coopers' flaws. But I cannot answer without talking about Cooper in a topic about Boris.
Now, of course, you have any rights to do as much mistakes as you want, but my right is to tell you those are mistakes, so I say it.
You won't find many people who agree with you on the idea Cooper is better than Boris. The opposite is not only recognized by most of the Cure fans but by many musicians too (including drummers) ... But good luck with that π
About what Robert says about Cooper, please, read my post.
Now, if you don't mind, I'm gonna eat, as it is late and I did not already take a lunch π
& of course you're never wrong Okay then. As you appear to be an accomplished musician & renowned music historian I'll just stop challenging your comments shall I? Boris wanted to leave the band to play & record with Piggle (later Babacar) & has no interest in coming back. Robert wouldn't kick Coop out for him anyway. And nor should he. From 2011 when the R&R nominations happened. In Robert's own words
BORIS WILLIAMS, LOL TOLHURST AND JASON COOPER HAVE EACH BEEN THE CUREβS DRUMMER ON FOUR ALBUMSβ¦ BORIS WILLIAMS WAS IN THE BAND FOR 9 YEARS AND LOL TOLHURST FOR 11 YEARS (5 YEARS AS DRUMMER)β¦ BUT JASON COOPER HAS BEEN DRUMMING WITH THE CURE FOR 17 YEARS, FROM 1994 TO THE PRESENT DAYβ¦ JASON COOPER IS THE CUREβS DRUMMER β AND IT SICKENS ME THAT HE DOESNT GET A NAME CHECKβ¦ BAH! RSX
I don't know what Boris is up to these days. But whatever it is, good luck to him.
People will always be drawn to Boris cos he played on the better records overall. As far as live work goes, Jason has grown and improved over the years. That's my impression anyway. One thing I would like is if there was some room for improvisation like in the old days. When they played extended versions, Forever etc. Doesn't happen much anymore. Jason is "forced" to play exactly the same way every night. If you study Boris he would change little things up now and again (especially in '92), I really enjoyed that.
People will always be drawn to Boris cos he played on the better records overall. As far as live work goes, Jason has grown and improved over the years. That's my impression anyway. One thing I would like is if there was some room for improvisation like in the old days. When they played extended versions, Forever etc. Doesn't happen much anymore. Jason is "forced" to play exactly the same way every night. If you study Boris he would change little things up now and again (especially in '92), I really enjoyed that.
I think one of the main reasons is that with the more elaborate stage show they have in recent times everything needs to be timed to the second & so click tracks are cued up to sync with LX cues & FX cues.
Of course I sometimes am, and when I am, I recognize it, but it seems that's not the same for you, isn't it ?
Okay then. As you appear to be an accomplished musician & renowned music historian I'll just stop challenging your comments shall I?
Lol πππππππ
Did I ever said I was a musician myself ?
C'mon, don't make me say things I never said ...
Wasn't it you who told me about respect by avoiding to distrort things that have been said only a few hours ago ? And you do not have the excuse that English is not your birth language as it is πππ
Boris wanted to leave the band & has no interest in coming back. Robert wouldn't kick Coop out for him anyway. And nor should he.
I find you a bit too much sure about what you say, you know ?
You missed some news, obviously.
1st of all : I never said Robert "kick coop ou for him", your imagination speaks too much, I guess.
2nd : you absolutely cannot assert Boris has no interest in coming back. What are you exactly ? His brain ?
3rd : Boris has left The Cure, not because he was fed up with them but because he wanted to join Babacar, the band where his girlfriend, Caroline Crawley was (she died in October 4th, 2016. RIP), to help them for their first (and only) album. Boris was in The Cure until 1995 and the promotional postards with 1995 pictures on it were released. He played with Shelleyan Orphan were Caroline Crawley was, in 1992, and he played with them after 1995. It was about being close to his girlfriend, not in any case, about being sick with The Cure. Don't say such wrong things, Steve. That is not nice.
From 2011 when the R&R nominations happened. In Robert's own words
BORIS WILLIAMS, LOL TOLHURST AND JASON COOPER HAVE EACH BEEN THE CUREβS DRUMMER ON FOUR ALBUMSβ¦ BORIS WILLIAMS WAS IN THE BAND FOR 9 YEARS AND LOL TOLHURST FOR 11 YEARS (5 YEARS AS DRUMMER)β¦ BUT JASON COOPER HAS BEEN DRUMMING WITH THE CURE FOR 17 YEARS, FROM 1994 TO THE PRESENT DAYβ¦ JASON COOPER IS THE CUREβS DRUMMER β AND IT SICKENS ME THAT HE DOESNT GET A NAME CHECKβ¦ BAH! RSX
And ? What are you trying to say ?
Longevity within a band doesn't mean The Cure found the perfect drummer, he found the one who was just "a nice boy"... (those are Roberts words too. Read what I wrote ...
I don't know what Boris is up to these days. But whatever it is, good luck to him.
Noooo, "good luck to him" ?? Seriously ?? Even if he wants to come back in The Cure ? You really meant it ?
People will always be drawn to Boris cos he played on the better records overall. As far as live work goes, Jason has grown and improved over the years. That's my impression anyway. One thing I would like is if there was some room for improvisation like in the old days. When they played extended versions, Forever etc. Doesn't happen much anymore. Jason is "forced" to play exactly the same way every night. If you study Boris he would change little things up now and again (especially in '92), I really enjoyed that.
I think one of the main reasons is that with the more elaborate stage show they have in recent times everything needs to be timed to the second & so click tracks are cued up to sync with LX cues & FX cues.
Not very credible explanation, as a Cure concert lasts 3 hours at least each evening or almost each evening. The Cure have already exceeded the standard basic format for gigs for most bands, and this is very easy to remove one song to play another one if they wanted to, or to make improvisations on a song or play a "Forever"...
He did not die and you did not, so everything is possible, just be ready π
Haha good spirit never say never and all that. Great choice of pic btw.
Thank you very much. I love that picture !! Robert in 1993 with a huge beautiful haircut, with perfect make up on his eyes and lips !!!!! πππππ
I said "Never say never" spontaneously, but after publishing that post, I thought about the lyrics of Dredd Song, when Robert sang "Never say never again" π
I think one of the main reasons is that with the more elaborate stage show they have in recent times everything needs to be timed to the second & so click tracks are cued up to sync with LX cues & FX cues.
Not very credible explanation, as a Cure concert lasts 3 hours at least each evening or almost each evening. The Cure have already exceeded the standard basic format for gigs for most bands, and this is very easy to remove one song to play another one if they wanted to, or to make improvisations on a song or play a "Forever"...
You're a stage manager too now are you? I'll try to explain the mechanics to you if you're interested. I worked as a stage manager for a decade. Focusing lights & plotting light shows is a pain in the a$$. Cueing the lighting to change at a precise moment is quite a tricky thing to do. What The Cure do is sync lighting effects with projections (&, to a lesser extent, sound effects (waves, clap tracks etc))) & so a sequence of LX changes is plotted to run in conjunction with those projections. As long as the lighting op has the set list, he or she will be able to cue up each LX & projection sequence precisely. So the band can switch around songs in the set but the LX/ projection effects will always be the same & be timed to fit the song they're being used for. In a traditional theatre scenario, the DSM would give standby & go cues to the lighting op & cross his/ her fingers the actors are standing where they are supposed to (ie where the lights have been focused). In the orchestra pit (if a musical) there would be cue lights or even a headset for the conductor/ band leader to be able to start playing at the right time. In a large concert scenario the DSM has to somehow cue up multiple musicians & tech crew in a very noisy environment. This is done via IEMs which both Jason & Roger wear. A count in using a click track (which can also be a pre-recorded intro sequence as has been captured on a couple of IEM recordings in the past). This is effectively the standby cue & you will often hear the drummer count the rest of the band in with stick clicks. The musicians & crew are then all in sync & can execute the go cue simultaneously. If you look at the set lists, every song has a BPM & duration annotated beside it. eg. Song x - (120bpm, 3:56). The band can mess up the start of a song & it can simply be re-cued (A Night Like This In Budapest 2016 is a recent example). But they can't go on & ad-lib a wig out solo in the middle & end as the LX & FX sequences will end after 3 minutes & 56 seconds (or whatever length they've been plotted for. As for Forever, typically this is played as a last song & doesn't usually have a projection assigned to it like, say, Last Day Of Summer. It's a very ad-lib, free flowing number & can last anywhere between 3 & 10 minutes. This is where everyone (band & tech crew) get a chance to improvise with LX changes & artistic/ musical form. Here ends today's lesson in how lighting & stage effects are synchronised with the action.
Not very credible explanation, as a Cure concert lasts 3 hours at least each evening or almost each evening. The Cure have already exceeded the standard basic format for gigs for most bands, and this is very easy to remove one song to play another one if they wanted to, or to make improvisations on a song or play a "Forever"...
You're a stage manager too now are you? I'll try to explain the mechanics to you if you're interested. I worked as a stage manager for a decade. Focusing lights & plotting light shows is a pain in the a$$. Cueing the lighting to change at a precise moment is quite a tricky thing to do. What The Cure do is sync lighting effects with projections (&, to a lesser extent, sound effects (waves, clap tracks etc))) & so a sequence of LX changes is plotted to run in conjunction with those projections. As long as the lighting op has the set list, he or she will be able to cue up each LX & projection sequence precisely. So the band can switch around songs in the set but the LX/ projection effects will always be the same & be timed to fit the song they're being used for. In a traditional theatre scenario, the DSM would give standby & go cues to the lighting op & cross his/ her fingers the actors are standing where they are supposed to (ie where the lights have been focused). In the orchestra pit (if a musical) there would be cue lights or even a headset for the conductor/ band leader to be able to start playing at the right time. In a large concert scenario the DSM has to somehow cue up multiple musicians & tech crew in a very noisy environment. This is done via IEMs which both Jason & Roger wear. A count in using a click track (which can also be a pre-recorded intro sequence as has been captured on a couple of IEM recordings in the past). This is effectively the standby cue & you will often hear the drummer count the rest of the band in with stick clicks. The musicians & crew are then all in sync & can execute the go cue simultaneously. If you look at the set lists, every song has a BPM & duration annotated beside it. eg. Song x - (120bpm, 3:56). The band can mess up the start of a song & it can simply be re-cued (A Night Like This In Budapest 2016 is a recent example). But they can't go on & ad-lib a wig out solo in the middle & end as the LX & FX sequences will end after 3 minutes & 56 seconds (or whatever length they've been plotted for. As for Forever, typically this is played as a last song & doesn't usually have a projection assigned to it like, say, Last Day Of Summer. It's a very ad-lib, free flowing number & can last anywhere between 3 & 10 minutes. This is where everyone (band & tech crew) get a chance to improvise with LX changes & artistic/ musical form. Here ends today's lesson in how lighting & stage effects are synchronised with the action.
That's a really good write-up! Although I think you scared them off...