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Feel kind of silly starting a thread about tempo, but I couldn't really find any existing posts that mention it, and it's something I'm really noticing...

I was listening to two live versions of Piggy in the Mirror yesterday when I had an ear worm. There is quite a marked difference in the tempo live versus the album version, which is muuuuuch slooooooooower. The album almost sounds "off speed" to me now after listening to the two others. It's a very different feel.

Anyone else have certain live vs. album version observations about tempo that really change the feeling of a song for you?

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Mar 2, 2018 18:09:24 GMT 1 czuczu said:

Disintegration.
Too slow live now.

Is the key the same for Piggy?

I *think* PITM is in the same key, but I'm not sure I trust my own ear for that.

Ooooh, let me have listen to recent versions of Disintegration. I hadn't realized that one...
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Mar 2, 2018 18:26:41 GMT 1 steve said:

They've stopped doing it of late, but on the 4Tour Primary was (or at least felt) so "ploddy".
Since then they've pulled it back into shape & the energy is all there again.

I wonder if other people say to RS, "Hey, mate. That's sounding a little slow", or if it's all up to his ear?
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They have to programme sequencers, loops and triggers for quite a bit of stuff so I guess all these tempo tweaks are decided by RS during rehearsal.
Shifting the key, tuning or slowing down is some of the easiest ways to help a singer keep in shape for long tours/gigs..

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Mar 2, 2018 20:55:05 GMT 1 czuczu said:

They have to programme sequencers, loops and triggers for quite a bit of stuff so I guess all these tempo tweaks are decided by RS during rehearsal.
Shifting the key, tuning or slowing down is some of the easiest ways to help a singer keep in shape for long tours/gigs..

Thanks, czuczu, that's helpful. I'm definitely not knowledgeable in that realm. Trust me, nobody wants to hear me sing.
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Mar 2, 2018 20:55:05 GMT 1 czuczu said:

They have to programme sequencers, loops and triggers for quite a bit of stuff so I guess all these tempo tweaks are decided by RS during rehearsal.
Shifting the key, tuning or slowing down is some of the easiest ways to help a singer keep in shape for long tours/gigs..

That's about right.
When you see pictures of setlists, you'll often see the BPM written alongside songs

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Mar 2, 2018 17:46:46 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

Feel kind of silly starting a thread about tempo, but I couldn't really find any existing posts that mention it, and it's something I'm really noticing...

I was listening to two live versions of Piggy in the Mirror yesterday when I had an ear worm. There is quite a marked difference in the tempo live versus the album version, which is muuuuuch slooooooooower. The album almost sounds "off speed" to me now after listening to the two others. It's a very different feel.

Anyone else have certain live vs. album version observations about tempo that really change the feeling of a song for you?

Piggy In The Mirror is slowed down on the album.
Same for Fire In Cairo and I'm Cold.

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Mar 3, 2018 14:11:22 GMT 1 fatrabbit said:

Mar 2, 2018 17:46:46 GMT 1 @notkristie said:

Feel kind of silly starting a thread about tempo, but I couldn't really find any existing posts that mention it, and it's something I'm really noticing...

I was listening to two live versions of Piggy in the Mirror yesterday when I had an ear worm. There is quite a marked difference in the tempo live versus the album version, which is muuuuuch slooooooooower. The album almost sounds "off speed" to me now after listening to the two others. It's a very different feel.

Anyone else have certain live vs. album version observations about tempo that really change the feeling of a song for you?

Piggy In The Mirror is slowed down on the album.
Same for Fire In Cairo and I'm Cold.

Unless the live version you're hearing predates the album release (which could conceivably happen) I would argue it's the opposite.

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Mar 3, 2018 17:11:14 GMT 1 Pipperoo said:

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I think the original is way slower than they ever do it live.
Nice thread!

Yep, seems like it stands even to date that they play it faster live. The versions I was listening to a couple of days ago were from 1984 and 1989. Thanks for posting the Bollywood Bowl, too!
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@notkristie You know I played the notes and at the beginning of PITM it is E E D E D E B But the chords are E, C, E, C Then it goes to F A etc... The Cure never really released Sheet music from their early songs did they? I've never found any. I usually just figure the notes out myself because most of the time the sheet music isn't correct.

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Mar 3, 2018 17:56:20 GMT 1 Pipperoo said:

@notkristie You know I played the notes and at the beginning of PITM it is E E D E D E B But the chords are E, C, E, C Then it goes to F A etc... The Cure never really released Sheet music from their early songs did they? I've never found any. I usually just figure the notes out myself because most of the time the sheet music isn't correct.

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