Post by ordoequitumsolis on Aug 22, 2015 17:37:33 GMT 1
How can you identify a lossy and a lossless file?
I thought from the frequency analysis, but: This is without doubt lossless (My personal record from Jesus and mary chain radio FM analog broadcast in 1992 and cassette transfer ten years ago) (flac)
This Three Imaginary Boys (flac) Zillo Festival 2002, FP version, downloaded from CCC or TCC, thread started by steve. I think lossless without any doubt.
Closedown (flac) - Birmingham 1989.21.07 downloaded yesterday from TCC. I think lossless (proposed by Cold 39 very careful in the choice of sources)
This is lossy without any doubt (mp3 320 kbps)
To look at the frequency analysis (with audacity 1.3.13) the mp3 file is what appears to have the sound richer. Normally is the opposite......
Where is that mp3 from & what was the file you took it from? Was it an mp3 that you took it from? For the others, you need to really consider the source media. Cassettes (see the Brum 89 image) typically wouldn't have a range much over 15-16kHz & the players/ recorders wouldn't be much better. Minidiscs (see Zillo image) also are subject to limitations in frequency range & even use their own compression method (ATRAC). For FM stuff (see JAMC image) all FM broadcasts are compressed anyway. Add to that the limitations of most home cassette decks & you'll see a response curve that will miss quite a lot of top end. It doesn't help when using noise reduction gizmos either (dolby B/C etc.) If you're doing a tape transfer, you really want a higher end deck, but if the tape was recorded on an average deck to start with, you won't really gain anything really.
Don't even start me on digital radio broadcasts. all lossy as hell. So much for improved quality eh? & anyone who claims they sourced from a digital FM broadcast, they are just as lossy. The FM transmitter is used, but the digital signal has a lot of noise removed. Guess how? Yep. They strip those frequencies out
If you really want to be able to tell the difference, then play a lossless file & then play the same track as a lossy file. The lossless one will sound a fraction slower (an aural illusion) but a lot more detailed. It's like putting on a pair of glasses to read something. But then again. If you're using low end equipment, you won't notice any difference.
Post by ordoequitumsolis on Aug 22, 2015 19:38:39 GMT 1
In effect normally you can see the difference between lossy and lossless. However this mp3 has surprised me. This is a 1987 U2 show, wolfgang's vault soundboard.
In effect normally you can see the difference between lossy and lossless. However this mp3 has surprised me. This is a 1987 U2 show, wolfgang's vault soundboard.
You need to look at the wave form too to see if it's "had a haircut".
In effect normally you can see the difference between lossy and lossless. However this mp3 has surprised me. This is a 1987 U2 show, wolfgang's vault soundboard.
You need to look at the wave form too to see if it's "had a haircut".
You need to look at the wave form too to see if it's "had a haircut".
Give me an example...
Oki doki
The mp3 has had the dynamic range compressed. You can clearly see where the wave form looks like it's been cut off suddenly. & here's an example of extreme compression