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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 11, 2015 19:30:39 GMT 1

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Post by jadedxxx on Jan 11, 2015 19:30:39 GMT 1

so I was using Roxio Creator NXT to burn my audio .FLAC files to CDR >Real Audio to play on my home stereo
and had been getting an error message lately with some .FLAC files
"the following files could not be added to the project"
"this is NOT a valid supported music file"
"This is not a valid or supported music file. The following audio file formats are supported:
aac, ac3, flac, mp3, ogg, wav, wma, mpga, cda, m3u, wpl, asx"

^ ^ [WTF?? they are .FLAC files Roxio!]

I had had no problems burning .FLAC files to CDR>real audio with this program before with 'normalize' audio option until recently
and the .FLAC files work/sound fine when I play them on my computer headphones/speakers but I can not burn them to CDR
but then sometimes the software does not recognize all .FLAC file types

when the Roxio Creator NXT software did work and burned the .FLAC and or converted .WAV files to CDR; the playback on my home stereo system was totally bad quality, with crackles, distortion and pops over the music [its NOT my home stereo system, CD player, or speakers because other CDs play and sound fine] and I tried the burned CDRs on other stereos car, portable etc... and the crackles, distortion and pops were still audible there

I am getting very frustrated and wasting a lot of money on blank CDRs that were ruined I had to throw away

this is the 3rd version of Roxio Creator software I have purchased over the years and there is always something wrong with it

^ ^ I am now done with Roxio! they "burned" me 3 X times over the years [and apparently millions of other people too according to the Amazon reviews] there is always something wrong with that software

www.amazon.com/Roxio-RCRNXTENMBAM-Creator-NXT/product-reviews/B008MR2GYQ?pageNumber=2&tag=viglink20248-20

I have un-installed Roxio software from my computer and busted the installation DVD / threw it in the garbage
I have some awesome sounding concerts from The Cure Community in .FLAC and tons of other stuff on external hard drives I want to burn to CDRs/DVDRs so I can finally listen to them on my home stereo cranked really LOUD and am going to use Nero and or Sony Creative software from now on for burning .mp3s, .FLAC, and DATA whenever I can scrape the money together to purchase Nero software and more blank CDRs/DVDRs

so in the meantime I had a few blank CDRs left and I tried to burn the .FLAC files to CDR with Windows Media Player burn option

software and encountered more problems:

#1 Windows Media software does NOT recognize .FLAC files so I had to convert the .FLAC files to .WAV files with FormatFactory software [which made the files larger]

#2 Windows Media Player does not recognize align numbered tracks properly [01, 02, 03, 10, etc] when you drop /drag them into the burn software window and you have to manually drop/drag them in the correct sequential order

#3 then I discovered Windows Media does NOT have track gap removal compatibility with my burn drive and it burned the LIVE tracks with 2 second silence gaps in-between tracks [Roxio at least when it worked had the option to remove track gaps in LIVE .mp3, .FLAC files without having to convert combine the individual .WAV files tracks all as one large file track

so now I have to manually convert individual .FLAC files into one single .WAV file in FormatFactory 'Audiojoiner' option to achieve continuous gapless seamless playback which seems to make the single .WAV file compress / smaller when I do a properties check comparing the individual .FLAC files size to the single .WAV file size / before when I converted the individual .FLAC files to individual .WAVs the .WAV files were larger than the .FLAC files!??

question: does converting .FLAC files to .WAV create decrease sound quality / signal loss??

maybe time for Nero??

I need software that can burn .mp3, .FLAC, .WAV files etc direct to CDR as real / normal audio and DATA backup to DVDRs

without all these conversions, errors, and steps

anyone have experience with Nero burn software??

I am looking here

www.nero.com/enu/

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 11, 2015 20:28:47 GMT 1 beto likes this

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Post by steve on Jan 11, 2015 20:28:47 GMT 1

If you're on a windows machine, then Nero is a pretty good one step solution for burning discs direct from flac files.
You might need to tweak the settings to make sure you have gapless burning though. Not many things more annoying than a gap between each song in a show for example. & if I remember the old Nero software, I think you can order the tracks as you wish.
WMP is a PITA when it comes to flac (just like itunes). You can play them if you have a codec pack installed, but to my knowledge, you can't burn them.
One important thing I should mention (& you prolly already have that covered anyway) ONLY 16 bit/ 44.1KHz flac files will work on audio CDs.
If you have 24bit/ 48KHz files, you're either going to need to dither them down to 16/44.1 or it is actually possible to make an Audio DVD (not to be confused with DVDA).
This is basically a dvd with no picture & will play on any regular dvd player hooked up to your hifi & you'll get all the hi res goodness (plus you get a 3 hour show on one disc)

Another (free) option to convert those files is Flac Frontend. It's open source, tiny & really easy to use.
That way, if you're still not sold on Nero, you can at least drop the resulting wavs into itunes, name them & number them as you wish & burn a gapless copy.
Long winded for sure. But better than traipsing to the store to buy more blank discs & you can always delete the files to free up the space.
Lastly, & again, I'm sure you have already pondered this.
You can run a line from the PC into your aux input on your amp & play direct from your pooter.& then you wouldn't need any discs or to buy any software

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 11, 2015 20:59:17 GMT 1

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Post by jadedxxx on Jan 11, 2015 20:59:17 GMT 1

Jan 11, 2015 20:28:47 GMT 1 steve said:

If you're on a windows machine, then Nero is a pretty good one step solution for burning discs direct from flac files.
You might need to tweak the settings to make sure you have gapless burning though. Not many things more annoying than a gap between each song in a show for example. & if I remember the old Nero software, I think you can order the tracks as you wish.
WMP is a PITA when it comes to flac (just like itunes). You can play them if you have a codec pack installed, but to my knowledge, you can't burn them.
One important thing I should mention (& you prolly already have that covered anyway) ONLY 16 bit/ 44.1KHz flac files will work on audio CDs.
If you have 24bit/ 48KHz files, you're either going to need to dither them down to 16/44.1 or it is actually possible to make an Audio DVD (not to be confused with DVDA).
This is basically a dvd with no picture & will play on any regular dvd player hooked up to your hifi & you'll get all the hi res goodness (plus you get a 3 hour show on one disc)

Another (free) option to convert those files is Flac Frontend. It's open source, tiny & really easy to use.
That way, if you're still not sold on Nero, you can at least drop the resulting wavs into itunes, name them & number them as you wish & burn a gapless copy.
Long winded for sure. But better than traipsing to the store to buy more blank discs & you can always delete the files to free up the space.
Lastly, & again, I'm sure you have already pondered this.
You can run a line from the PC into your aux input on your amp & play direct from your pooter.& then you wouldn't need any discs or to buy any software

^ ^ thank you again for the technical suggestions

I actually never before pondered running a line out from my computer to my home stereo amp

this is done how?/ what type of cable /adapter? USB cable out from back of computer [all USB ports in back of computer are inputs] to auxiliary input stereo/phono jacks > back of home stereo amp??

and again when I convert individual .FLAC files into one single .WAV file in FormatFactory 'Audiojoiner' option to achieve continuous gapless seamless playback it seems to make the single .WAV file compress / smaller when I do a properties check comparing the individual .FLAC files size to the single .WAV file size / before when I converted the individual .FLAC files to individual .WAVs the .WAV files were larger than the .FLAC files!??

question: does converting .FLAC files to .WAV create decrease sound quality / signal loss??

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 11, 2015 21:34:10 GMT 1 jadedxxx likes this

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Post by steve on Jan 11, 2015 21:34:10 GMT 1

TBH I've never used Format Factory so I couldn't be too sure what it's doing to the files.
I do know that flac frontend won't muff them up, but it's always worth having a couple of options to hand for conversion due to compatibility issues (yep, software is buggy at times).
Lossless is lossless is lossless basically. There are tests, but they involve rewiring speakers out of phase & all sorts of other nerdy stuff, but if you have a wav file, you can convert to flac, alac, aiff without any loss of quality at all.
For hooking up to your system, there are a few ways.
You'll need the audio output from your PC (usually the headphone jack). You can get a cable that'll go 1/4" jack to RCA (phono) which will run into your aux input on your amp.
Some PCs can run audio out of the USB port, but you'd need to check your machine to see what you have really.
Another option (if it flies for you) is wireless connection. Most modern AV amps will have the ability to receive streaming signals via wifi or blue tooth from your PC (& even your smart phone). I think you need to have a network server for many though. So that might be off the table maybe. But certainly worth googling the options to see what's possible.

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 11, 2015 21:48:15 GMT 1 jadedxxx likes this

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Nero/Roxio -- over bloated GARBAGE!! dBpoweramp is what you need, burns gapless CD's from virtually any audio format, also converts audio files/writes ID Tags/rips discs. Does a lot more, I've used it since the day it launched and have never had a problem.
Nero and Roxio come with too many extras, unneeded extras that just bloat your system.

If you want pure FLAC/WAV files played from your PC get a Cambridge Audio DAC Magic, plug into the USB port and you'll never look back - incredible sound.

Oh, clearly I'm not Kate right now!!

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 11, 2015 22:50:44 GMT 1 jadedxxx likes this

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Jan 11, 2015 21:48:15 GMT 1 @kate said:

Oh, clearly I'm not Kate right now!!

More than clearly yes. We know when you are not Kate. If you want I could post 'not Kate' every time we know you are not Kate? :-*

(psst really Kate should only be using Kate's account....just FYI)

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 13, 2015 21:00:45 GMT 1 steve likes this

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Post by beto on Jan 13, 2015 21:00:45 GMT 1

Jan 11, 2015 20:28:47 GMT 1 steve said:

One important thing I should mention (& you prolly already have that covered anyway) ONLY 16 bit/ 44.1KHz flac files will work on audio CDs.
If you have 24bit/ 48KHz files, you're either going to need to dither them down to 16/44.1 or it is actually possible to make an Audio DVD (not to be confused with DVDA).
This is basically a dvd with no picture & will play on any regular dvd player hooked up to your hifi & you'll get all the hi res goodness (plus you get a 3 hour show on one disc)

Some recordings are sampled at 16bit/48khz, this format could take some "problems" too.
Audio DVD can use 16bit/48khz, 24bit/48khz and 24bit/96khz.
Anyway you could "resample" any of this formats into 16/44.1, before to make a CDR.

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 14, 2015 17:04:50 GMT 1

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Post by jadedxxx on Jan 14, 2015 17:04:50 GMT 1

Jan 13, 2015 21:00:45 GMT 1 beto said:

Jan 11, 2015 20:28:47 GMT 1 steve said:

One important thing I should mention (& you prolly already have that covered anyway) ONLY 16 bit/ 44.1KHz flac files will work on audio CDs.
If you have 24bit/ 48KHz files, you're either going to need to dither them down to 16/44.1 or it is actually possible to make an Audio DVD (not to be confused with DVDA).
This is basically a dvd with no picture & will play on any regular dvd player hooked up to your hifi & you'll get all the hi res goodness (plus you get a 3 hour show on one disc)

Some recordings are sampled at 16bit/48khz, this format could take some "problems" too.
Audio DVD can use 16bit/48khz, 24bit/48khz and 24bit/96khz.
Anyway you could "resample" any of this formats into 16/44.1, before to make a CDR.

how is resampling of .FLAC files done from 16 bit/48khz to 16 bit /44.1 before burning to CDR??

is this done with FLAC frontend software or other?

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Post by steve on Jan 14, 2015 18:14:43 GMT 1

I think flac frontend will do a bit for bit conversion only.
I haven't used it since I had the mac, as I can't find a useable mac version.
You can use a Bit Depth Converter though.

What other audio software do you have installed?
I guess you've googled around to see if any of your current applications can do it (even with an added plugin maybe)?

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 15, 2015 0:12:41 GMT 1

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Jan 14, 2015 17:04:50 GMT 1 jadedxxx said:

Jan 13, 2015 21:00:45 GMT 1 beto said:

Some recordings are sampled at 16bit/48khz, this format could take some "problems" too.
Audio DVD can use 16bit/48khz, 24bit/48khz and 24bit/96khz.
Anyway you could "resample" any of this formats into 16/44.1, before to make a CDR.

how is resampling of .FLAC files done from 16 bit/48khz to 16 bit /44.1 before burning to CDR??

is this done with FLAC frontend software or other?

I use Goldwave to do this kind of things. But, as Steve says, take a look to some program you already have in your computer.
Important: you must "resample", not "change the playback rate".
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Post by jadedxxx on Jan 15, 2015 0:28:51 GMT 1

Jan 15, 2015 0:12:41 GMT 1 beto said:

Jan 14, 2015 17:04:50 GMT 1 jadedxxx said:

how is resampling of .FLAC files done from 16 bit/48khz to 16 bit /44.1 before burning to CDR??

is this done with FLAC frontend software or other?

I use Goldwave to do this kind of things. But, as Steve says, take a look to some program you already have in your computer.
Important: you must "resample", not "change the playback rate".
Regards

^ ^ is this possibly why I was getting the distortion, crackle , and pop noises over the music previously when I burned .FLAC files to CDR in 'normalize audio ' mode with Roxio Creator NXT? > the .FLAC files were possible in 16 bit/48 and NOT resampled to 16/44

I don't know what programs to use to resample .FLAC to 16/44 that I already have on my computer??

I am inclined at this point to convert the .FLAC to WAV files and burn them to CDR with Windows Media burn option until I can figure out what software I want to buy when I can scrape the money together

dbpoweramp, Nero, etc

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Post by beto on Jan 15, 2015 17:20:47 GMT 1

Jan 15, 2015 0:28:51 GMT 1 jadedxxx said:

Jan 15, 2015 0:12:41 GMT 1 beto said:

I use Goldwave to do this kind of things. But, as Steve says, take a look to some program you already have in your computer.
Important: you must "resample", not "change the playback rate".
Regards

^ ^ is this possibly why I was getting the distortion, crackle , and pop noises over the music previously when I burned .FLAC files to CDR in 'normalize audio ' mode with Roxio Creator NXT? > the .FLAC files were possible in 16 bit/48 and NOT resampled to 16/44

I don't know what programs to use to resample .FLAC to 16/44 that I already have on my computer??

I am inclined at this point to convert the .FLAC to WAV files and burn them to CDR with Windows Media burn option until I can figure out what software I want to buy when I can scrape the money together

dbpoweramp, Nero, etc

Hi! Very important: If you convert FLAC 16/48 to WAV, you will have WAV 16/48 too, ok? and the same problem you use to have...
I think there is a free version of Goldwave (some kind of 30 days trial, or something..) . Take a look over there...
It's really easy to make this resample with this program...

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Jan 15, 2015 17:20:47 GMT 1 beto said:

Jan 15, 2015 0:28:51 GMT 1 jadedxxx said:

^ ^ is this possibly why I was getting the distortion, crackle , and pop noises over the music previously when I burned .FLAC files to CDR in 'normalize audio ' mode with Roxio Creator NXT? > the .FLAC files were possible in 16 bit/48 and NOT resampled to 16/44

I don't know what programs to use to resample .FLAC to 16/44 that I already have on my computer??

I am inclined at this point to convert the .FLAC to WAV files and burn them to CDR with Windows Media burn option until I can figure out what software I want to buy when I can scrape the money together

dbpoweramp, Nero, etc

Hi! Very important: If you convert FLAC 16/48 to WAV, you will have WAV 16/48 too, ok? and the same problem you use to have...
I think there is a free version of Goldwave (some kind of 30 days trial, or something..) . Take a look over there...
It's really easy to make this resample with this program...

^ ^ I tried converting the same .FLAC 16/48 files [at least I think they were .FLAC 16/48] that was giving me the distortion, crackle, pop noise problems when burning to CDR with Roxio Creator NXT; when converted with FormatFactory and burned with Windows Media Player burn option there was no distortion, crackle, pop noise problems when burning to CDR; so I think the problem was really with the Roxio software which I am no longer using and have trashed

I really would like a program that recognizes ALL .FLAC types and burns gapless tracks / normalizes audio direct to CDR someone else above mentioned dbpoweramp or Nero

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.FLAC to CDR / DVDR ad nauseum audio burning problems Jan 16, 2015 18:56:03 GMT 1 jadedxxx likes this

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Jan 14, 2015 18:14:43 GMT 1 steve said:

I think flac frontend will do a bit for bit conversion only.
I haven't used it since I had the mac, as I can't find a useable mac version.
You can use a Bit Depth Converter though.

What other audio software do you have installed?
I guess you've googled around to see if any of your current applications can do it (even with an added plugin maybe)?

^ ^ I tried converting the same .FLAC 16/48 files [at least I think they were .FLAC 16/48] that were giving me the distortion, crackle, pop noise problems when burning to CDR with Roxio Creator NXT; when converted with FormatFactory and burned with Windows Media Player burn option there was no distortion, crackle, pop noise problems when burning/playback to CDR; so I think the problem was really with the Roxio software which I am no longer using and have trashed [literally in the garbage]

but I also have tons of other .mp3 file type shows I would like to burn direct to CDR without gaps between tracks

right now ALL I have installed for burning to CDR is Windows Media Player burn option and FileFactory to convert .FLAC to .WAV because WMA burn option does NOT recognize .FLAC

I really ultimately would like a program that recognizes ALL .FLAC types 16/44, 16/48 and burns gapless tracks / normalizes audio direct to CDR as well as DATA burning to DVDR for backup

I think "NOT Kate right now" above mentioned dbpoweramp

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Post by steve on Jan 16, 2015 19:04:33 GMT 1

Yep. dbpoweramp's the solution for recognising & burning.
I've not delved into its down sampling options at all though.
One other (free) option you might fancy a look at is Audacity.
That'll give you the added bonus of being able to down sample, edit, re-master & mess about to your heart's content

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