Post by imaginarygirl on Dec 4, 2013 21:50:33 GMT 1
But does anyone who votes is such a poll have to be an expert? Damn, why haven't I been informed earlier It's just your subjective opinion, I guess. I voted for my favorite albums from the list, and I have never listened to majority of the others that are there.
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imaginarygirl Count this: The three most loved bands in the 80's are The Cure, Depeche Mod, U2 and Iron Maiden Could an another band better album win if who votes is just a fan? Answer NO Any better album can't winners
Post by imaginarygirl on Dec 4, 2013 22:05:33 GMT 1
So, basically, you're saying that the most loved bands are going to win, because of more fans=more votes, even if there are better albums? Because that's a thing I could never figure out, how can we really know what song/album is "better" than the other. It's just a question of one's music taste, I think, and that's all. But maybe I got it wrong
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imaginarygirl I remember how criticized was Disintegration or KMKMKM when they came out, critics dismantled them after a few days So why after 30 years they are the best album of the year?
Post by imaginarygirl on Dec 4, 2013 22:26:04 GMT 1
I read that post and immediately thought of Led Zeppelin. You know, their albums were criticised a lot when they were released, and now they are considered as one of the most important rock bands, and no critic says a bad word about them (well, mostly not). So maybe it's a similar case here.
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I read that post and immediately thought of Led Zeppelin. You know, their albums were criticised a lot when they were released, and now they are considered as one of the most important rock bands, and no critic says a bad word about them (well, mostly not). So maybe it's a similar case here.
not really, now they are judged for the whole career not only for one or another album. but just to make a point they, as lot of bands through the 70's780's, innovated the music in a way or another so now they are watched with different eyes
Post by imaginarygirl on Dec 4, 2013 23:04:51 GMT 1
BUT the albums are now viewed differently than they were back then, aren't they? And exactly, the view on music is different now than it was 20 or 30 years ago, of course.
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I don't think, actually i watch many tv programs or read articles or books about 70/80's bands and they always talk about one or another song but rarely of a whole album, well if we name stuff like The Wall or Tommy or Never Mind The bollix, they signed an era, but these are rare cases. Great other musicians are named, Joy Division too, but they never produced the best album of the year, they are counted as the father of an alternative post punk sound. The Pistols too, NMTB wasn't a great album but it's THE POINT where a kind of social revolution started. The Cure year after year passed in silence unespectedly they gained fans when they started beeing worse With our eyes now we see things differently that's why sometimes we talk about that band of this singer as great when 20 years ago noone bought their albums
imaginarygirl I remember how criticized was Disintegration or KMKMKM when they came out, critics dismantled them after a few days So why after 30 years they are the best album of the year?
Because critics are not always correct because they often have hidden agendas. So let's say Zagat (the popular restaurant critiquing engine) gives a certain restaurant 5 stars and says it is the best. You eat there and hate it. You will say it's still the best because Zagat said so right? Wrong. You hate it because you hate it. Is it the best or was there a hidden agenda? Money changing hands for advertisement....etc... 80% of the music I listened to in the 1980s was The Cure. Therefore, I will pick the seven Cure albums. It's really just that simple. There is no right or wrong. Whoever gets the most votes will win. My favorite band is The Cure. I've been playing music and singing since I'm five. I know music. I know what difficult and what is not. What is intricate. Which musicians are more skilled than others. But is that what the poll is asking? No. It's simply asking what you, the listener, think are the 25 best albums of the 1980s. Disintegration placed first because the majority of the people voted for it. Period.
Wow, this has provoked some interesting discussion & looking at the list on offer, I can't say I'm surprised. There is some seriously good albums in that lot & yet there is a lot of utter cobblers (REM, RHCP, Erasure to name a few) I would definitely place some of those The Cure albums in the top 25, if not all of them. I'd be hard pushed to narrow down the remaining 18 though & even then how many of those would be (in my opinion) better than those The Cure albums would prolly be an incredibly short list. I think the word "best" in this poll title is slightly vague though. Best liked or best technically? It's not specified. But some folks like music for its sheer genius & some like it because they can bop around to it or annoy their parents with it & so if you believe that slicingupeyeballs voters are of the latter group & the result won't be representative, then just don't vote. Or use the "other" option to choose albums you think they missed. You can choose up to 10 & even email them if you think more can be added. Looking forward to more discussion here, but watch the language please folks. *goes to study the list*
That's cool in a forum "discussion" in my opinion it is to choose what you like most in that decade, some discs that are placed there not only The Cure evoke memories and special moments of my life at that time, although today many I do not like so much. As for critical think it's bullShirt, sometimes what is good for some is not for others, each have their musical taste and this is a personal matter of each of us.
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Discussion is "bread and butter" of the forum, flats "i voted" are useless IMO, that's why i like to put my thoughts, beeing criticized mostly, but hey, this is the way to make a forum run, i don't exspect all agreeto and i discovered i Sometimes don't agree to what i thought back in years
Discussion is "bread and butter" of the forum, flats "i voted" are useless IMO, that's why i like to put my thoughts, beeing criticized mostly, but hey, this is the way to make a forum run, i don't exspect all agreeto and i discovered i Sometimes don't agree to what i thought back in years
You're right. Discussion is healthy indeed. & this poll & associated opinions is testament to the plethora of incredible music that come to light in the 80s. It's very hard to choose just twenty five albums on that list (it would be much easier to be given the choice of just one). As for criticism, remember this is a The Cure forum, so opposing views are only to be expected when the band & their work is derided, even if there are elements of truth (FWIW in 1987 Floodland was (& still is) light years better than KMKMKM IMHO).
As for no-one buying the earlier albums, they appear to have sold enough to justify world tours & Robert himself has stated that he never intended for the band to get as big as it did even back in 89. & even if Seventeen Seconds didn't sell multi million copies, it still knocks spots off anything else that came out the same year. The Cure have been around a long long time. & there are fans that were maybe not even born when Seventeen Seconds came out. I know that if I hear an album by a band that has been around for decades, I will also investigate their back catalogue in case I missed something glorious & to see that the oldies are still revered, even if as a result of someone thinking WMS was good, is a good barometer of their agelessness.