probably i was expecting too much :-) But do you agree that US shows were superior/more surprising globally ? weren't they ? B sides, and "rare" tracks (ie Elise, Cold) . Why such a difference with Europe ? Does anyone know why some tracks disappeared ?
I get the disappointment with the Paris setlist...it was bizarre for such a deep city and audience. Other venues both Europe and the States may well have had a minority of the more meaningful stuff but they all got a few of either cold, drowning man, other voices, snakepit, if only tonight, Kyoto, last dance, dressing up ...just those songs that make you tremble inside with an aching of the lives we've lived with band..and Paris seemed to just get a gig..It was a great setlist sure, but lacking in the deeper stuff. I'm not sure that it was the States that got the better deal than Europe, more that Paris just got something missed out...
probably i was expecting too much :-) But do you agree that US shows were superior/more surprising globally ? weren't they ? B sides, and "rare" tracks (ie Elise, Cold) . Why such a difference with Europe ? Does anyone know why some tracks disappeared ?
I get the disappointment with the Paris setlist...it was bizarre for such a deep city and audience. Other venues both Europe and the States may well have had a minority of the more meaningful stuff but they all got a few of either cold, drowning man, other voices, snakepit, if only tonight, Kyoto, last dance, dressing up ...just those songs that make you tremble inside with an aching of the lives we've lived with band..and Paris seemed to just get a gig..It was a great setlist sure, but lacking in the deeper stuff. I'm not sure that it was the States that got the better deal than Europe, more that Paris just got something missed out...
Maybe this time the band decided to give to the other less deeper cities with less deeper audiences, something that Paris have had traditionally. Why has to be Paris or Wembley the ones who always gets the better stuff? Seems unfair, don't you think?
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My thoughts, having now seen 6 shows on this leg of the tour: 1) The whole 'vocal issues' thing has been blown out of all proportion. There appear to have been a couple of shows where he was really visibly struggling after his cold or whatever, but the last 3 shows, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Paris, his voice has been spot on. I can't think of many performers his age that still have the vocal range, power and control that he has. Night after night, set after set. I know, I was there. 2) Even in cities like Berlin and Paris, where you might think there is a more hardcore / alternative fan Base, the songs that get the big reactions are Just Like Heaven, Boy's Don't Cry, Friday, etc. And why the hell shouldn't they play those songs? Last I heard RS wrote those songs of his own free will and I imagine he is justifiable proud and pleased of the way they have touched people around the world. I'd rather be dancing around going mental to Close to Me with 15000 other people, than standing there stroking my (metaphorical) beard to All Cats are Grey whilst 3/4 of the audience head off to the bar. Last band I went to see apart from the Cure was Suede. I own one album, have listened to a couple of the others, and know most of the singles. I don't have a clue about B sides or rarities. Guess what though, I had paid my £50 just like everyone else and had just as much right to be there as the more devoted fans. Personally I think RS does a brilliant job of balancing the different sides of the band across a long set. If you've gone to see The Cure because you like Friday, and you get to hear 100 Years and It Can Never Be The Same, that's pretty challenging. 3) Finally, what we forget in this Internet age is that live music is precisely that, live! It's about being in the moment. I had a brilliant time in Paris last night singing along and dancing, the atmosphere was electric and the crowd so full on you couldn't help but be caught up in it. It's not about sitting behind your keyboard moaning because your favourite song off of Join The Dots or whatever didn't get played. And I am saying this as a #RealFanOfTheCure
probably i was expecting too much :-) But do you agree that US shows were superior/more surprising globally ? weren't they ? B sides, and "rare" tracks (ie Elise, Cold) . Why such a difference with Europe ? Does anyone know why some tracks disappeared ?
I get the disappointment with the Paris setlist...it was bizarre for such a deep city and audience. Other venues both Europe and the States may well have had a minority of the more meaningful stuff but they all got a few of either cold, drowning man, other voices, snakepit, if only tonight, Kyoto, last dance, dressing up ...just those songs that make you tremble inside with an aching of the lives we've lived with band..and Paris seemed to just get a gig..It was a great setlist sure, but lacking in the deeper stuff. I'm not sure that it was the States that got the better deal than Europe, more that Paris just got something missed out...
Cologne "just got a gig",I ask again,what's so special about Paris??
I get the disappointment with the Paris setlist...it was bizarre for such a deep city and audience. Other venues both Europe and the States may well have had a minority of the more meaningful stuff but they all got a few of either cold, drowning man, other voices, snakepit, if only tonight, Kyoto, last dance, dressing up ...just those songs that make you tremble inside with an aching of the lives we've lived with band..and Paris seemed to just get a gig..It was a great setlist sure, but lacking in the deeper stuff. I'm not sure that it was the States that got the better deal than Europe, more that Paris just got something missed out...
Cologne "just got a gig",I ask again,what's so special about Paris??
my thoughts... and i was glad i could go to 'just a gig', where the audience had a blast, each one in their individual way, like in any other country or city
My thoughts, having now seen 6 shows on this leg of the tour: 1) The whole 'vocal issues' thing has been blown out of all proportion. There appear to have been a couple of shows where he was really visibly struggling after his cold or whatever, but the last 3 shows, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Paris, his voice has been spot on. I can't think of many performers his age that still have the vocal range, power and control that he has. Night after night, set after set. I know, I was there. 2) Even in cities like Berlin and Paris, where you might think there is a more hardcore / alternative fan Base, the songs that get the big reactions are Just Like Heaven, Boy's Don't Cry, Friday, etc. And why the hell shouldn't they play those songs? Last I heard RS wrote those songs of his own free will and I imagine he is justifiable proud and pleased of the way they have touched people around the world. I'd rather be dancing around going mental to Close to Me with 15000 other people, than standing there stroking my (metaphorical) beard to All Cats are Grey whilst 3/4 of the audience head off to the bar. Last band I went to see apart from the Cure was Suede. I own one album, have listened to a couple of the others, and know most of the singles. I don't have a clue about B sides or rarities. Guess what though, I had paid my £50 just like everyone else and had just as much right to be there as the more devoted fans. Personally I think RS does a brilliant job of balancing the different sides of the band across a long set. If you've gone to see The Cure because you like Friday, and you get to hear 100 Years and It Can Never Be The Same, that's pretty challenging. 3) Finally, what we forget in this Internet age is that live music is precisely that, live! It's about being in the moment. I had a brilliant time in Paris last night singing along and dancing, the atmosphere was electric and the crowd so full on you couldn't help but be caught up in it. It's not about sitting behind your keyboard moaning because your favourite song off of Join The Dots or whatever didn't get played. And I am saying this as a #RealFanOfTheCure
I get the disappointment with the Paris setlist...it was bizarre for such a deep city and audience. Other venues both Europe and the States may well have had a minority of the more meaningful stuff but they all got a few of either cold, drowning man, other voices, snakepit, if only tonight, Kyoto, last dance, dressing up ...just those songs that make you tremble inside with an aching of the lives we've lived with band..and Paris seemed to just get a gig..It was a great setlist sure, but lacking in the deeper stuff. I'm not sure that it was the States that got the better deal than Europe, more that Paris just got something missed out...
Cologne "just got a gig",I ask again,what's so special about Paris??
'what's so special about Paris' Dead funny , made me chuckle a bit...Come on...Paris is pretty special dontcha think? I went there to see Woven Hand once, some technical problems, DEE got stroppy and split the stage within ten minutes...Awful....We thought it was all over but sure he came back and good gig...But even if it had been all over, even if they'd done a set of Kajagoogoo covers, Paris was pretty special!
But sure yeah, all cities should get a smattering of the At Night / Piggy / Porn etc lovelies and not just Paris and London...Me I'm ok with the Paris setlist, I like Hungry Ghost. They got All I Want...but there was just a few more that were needed for the balance...Kinda like when you buy a toastie and there's five olive pieces in yours but only one in your girlfriends...although actually its nothing like that erm..can I go now?
Post by justlikeheaven on Nov 16, 2016 20:01:58 GMT 1
I agree so much with you guys ! I see a lot of people complaining, and I really don't get it... To me, every show in every city is special, because it's The Cure that play them. They put so much thought into their setlists, trying to mix nearly 40 years of wonderful music... And even after all these years, they're still touring and they're still as great as ever. I'm so grateful for all of that.