I've been thinking about what an ideal situation/producer would be for our boys. The band has no label affiliation now so they are free agents. Well if we want a darker Cure record for the next one the answer is obvious at least for me. Trent Reznor is who I want to produce the next Cure record. He is a fan & could bring some very interesting sonic ideas to the table. + he has a boutique label with major label distribution. After listening to 4:13 Dream some recently, I think maybe Robert needs someone strong working with him but who would also treat him with respect. Maybe they could go into the hall of fame at the same time, too. I want to see that jam session!
Reznor could do a great work with them. Somebody has to tell Robert when things just don't work, seems like nobody wants to do that job if we look back to their latest records. Totally agree, Chuck.
Dave M. Allen would have been great. And as a record label ? Back to Fiction Records. Round and Round and Round . . . Full circle things.
Trent would have been great though,to work with RS upon a project of their own. Like a movie soundtrack let's say. Ouh well...To Wish (Im)possible Things (but always with a cost)
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One of the last people I would let near a The Cure record would be Trout Razor. He can't even produce his own albums properly. On top of that he's a control freak & Robert's not fond of them, as he wants to be in control. I'd leave Robert on production duties. Maybe team him up with Hedges again. As for "wanting dark"? Not really. It's not 1989 anymore & I think there is so much more to The Cure than just misery. I would prefer "majesty" above everything else
Would have gone for Hedges as well but i think this relationship has ended a lot,lot years ago. They can't pretend to be the dark trilogy (17-faith-Porno) trio (Bob-Sim-Lol) of teen angst etc. of the early 80's. It is 2 0 1 6,a new guitar player is in the band (and what a player,huh?) Some new ideas mixed with the past would have been good in my opinion. Anyone else who wants a second Wrong Number single?! Almost twenty years ago... Still sounds fresh though.
Anyway, regardless the producer, the important issue here are songs. No producer is going to write the songs. And Robert is so far away, IMHO, from the genius songwriter he was once.
It's true. They have had all the dynamic range stripped out of them. With Teeth doesn't even make it above 8 (max). Granted, 4:13 wasn't much better, but Robert was more or less pushed into getting it rushed out asap after the whole cancelling of the US tour & told by Geffen that it couldn't be a double album. Glad he parted ways with them really. Trout can bog off & stick to film scores for all I care. Easy money for him. He made anything of any worth since Downward Spiral.
Anyway, regardless the producer, the important issue here are songs. No producer is going to write the songs. And Robert is so far away, IMHO, from the genius songwriter he was once.
Totally agree on the content aspect. 4:13 had some crackers on it. Just let down by the final production & when they wheel out those songs live, boy they take on a whole new lease of life But when he's worked alongside producers, he's really shone in the past. His production of the Hamburg 2002 show is outstanding. & now he is in the fortunate position of having time to do what he thinks is right. As a live band the arrangements are currently spot on, so personally I think he's the best option & let's not forget that Reeves is a good producer in his own right. What better than to keep it all "in house" & use the experience to hand?
It's true. They have had all the dynamic range stripped out of them. With Teeth doesn't even make it above 8 (max). Granted, 4:13 wasn't much better, but Robert was more or less pushed into getting it rushed out asap after the whole cancelling of the US tour & told by Geffen that it couldn't be a double album. Glad he parted ways with them really. Trout can bog off & stick to film scores for all I care. Easy money for him. He made anything of any worth since Downward Spiral.
Anyway, regardless the producer, the important issue here are songs. No producer is going to write the songs. And Robert is so far away, IMHO, from the genius songwriter he was once.
Totally agree on the content aspect. 4:13 had some crackers on it. Just let down by the final production & when they wheel out those songs live, boy they take on a whole new lease of life But when he's worked alongside producers, he's really shone in the past. His production of the Hamburg 2002 show is outstanding. & now he is in the fortunate position of having time to do what he thinks is right. As a live band the arrangements are currently spot on, so personally I think he's the best option & let's not forget that Reeves is a good producer in his own right. What better than to keep it all "in house" & use the experience to hand?
I thought you were talking about artistic production, not technical. Hence my what. You may like NIN or not, but that the guy has (had) musical talent is undeniable. I'm not familiar with his work after 'The Fragile', according to Chuck, is still worthy, I don't know. But c'mon, 'The Fragile' is even better than 'The Downward Spiral'.
About last albums of The Cure... I don't know, I keep thinking that the real Cure career ended with 'Wish' (mmmm, Boris...). Everything that came after for me are just some yes, some noes, some maybes and quite a few what the fork?. But there's not a single great record since 'Wish'. But it's just my opinion.
I thought you were talking about artistic production, not technical. Hence my what. You may like NIN or not, but that the guy has (had) musical talent is undeniable. I'm not familiar with his work after 'The Fragile', according to Chuck, is still worthy, I don't know. But c'mon, 'The Fragile' is even better than 'The Downward Spiral'.
About last albums of The Cure... I don't know, I keep thinking that the real Cure career ended with 'Wish' (mmmm, Boris...). Everything that came after for me are just some yes, some noes, some maybes and quite a few what the ****?. But there's not a single great record since 'Wish'. But it's just my opinion.
Yeah, I was referring to the technical production & on the subject of Wish, I truly believe it was the best production of any The Cure album. Since then it has been patchy & I still think of the fabled Wish deluxe & wonder just how they can actually make it physically sound any better. It's absolutely mind blowing in detail. That is how I would expect any new records to sound (with different material of course) Artistically, Robert always tended to write about real life experiences or novels he'd read or a mix of the two. When you're 20 something years old, that's not a lot of fuel compared to when you're 50 something & there is so much more to write about. So diversity now, for The Cure, has to be there or they'll just shed half their fan base in one fell swoop. (IMHO) As for NIN, they are one of the few bands whose music actually sounds better as phone ring tones. Mainly as they're so damn loud & the aural equivalent of being smacked in the face with a cricket bat over & over. I don't think that's the sound The Cure suit & not even Robinson went that route with them.
On top of that he's a control freak & Robert's not fond of them, as he wants to be in control.
Two control freaks in a room are too many control freaks. I agree here.
Oh yes. Chris Parry totally took over the TIB stuff & Robert hated it & kept Parry's involvement in Seventeen Seconds to the bare minimum. And it really shows. Robert's in control. Even the band say that in interviews. But he has the talent & "tools" around him to make something very special. Like I mentioned earlier, I think they need to sound "majestic" again. Happy, sad, I don't really care. I want the tingling, the knowing inner smiling, the heart break, the whole spectrum not buried behind a wall of noise.
Nice discussion. I would argue about NIN being 1 dimensional. They have some absolutely lovely quieter stuff. The "Ghosts" instrumental record is awesome with Adrian Belew all over it. Adria is all over "Hesitation Marks" also. Also worth mentioning is Trent's soundtrack work. It's phenomenal. As far as "dark" goes, I just mentioned that because it seems many on here prefer that Cure. I like it all, poppy, majestic & dark. Another possible good producer would be Nick Launay. He co-produced the Nick Cave with Nick & Warren Ellis. It sounds fantastic & takes some chances. I do think Trent Reznor is a genius who is going to have a legacy. & he is a fan of Robert, so I think he would treat him right. The little bit of work he did with Bowie was stellar. "I'm Afraid of Americans" was way ahead of its time.