I am a twenty year old aspiring young writer trying to do research for an article I’m working on about the British band, Japan and the artist they influenced. The article will mainly focus on bands from the 1980’s (mostly ones who were active around the same time as Japan) and will feature The Cure as one of the main artists. The reason I am choosing The Cure is because I hear similarities to Japan and/or David Sylvian’s early solo works in some of their songs like “Fear of Ghost”, “Just One Kiss”, “Happy the Man”, and “The Baby Screams” and both bands have worked with the same producer (Steve Nye).
Anyway, I recall reading an old interview a while ago, where Robert Smith mentioned Japan (or was it just David Sylvian) as one of his musical influences or something very similar. I’ve been trying to retrace the article on the internet as evidence for the Japan-Cure connection, but without much luck. Please take this with a grain of salt as my memory of it is very blurry and might have gotten it mixed up with something else. If anyone here could help me find the article in question where Smith mentioned Japan and/or David Sylvian, I would be very glad.
Done a lot of searching & can only think it may have been a mention about the Tweaker collaboration in 2004 .
steve,
I’m very sorry to hear about that. The good news however, is that I may have possibly found a fragment from the interview in question in this thread over at the “Vintage Synth Explorer” forums, where a poster was asking about the synths used on The Cure’s “The Walk” song. In it, Robert Smith mentioned using the same equipment and producer as Japan’s “Tin Drum” because he happened to enjoy the album. Apparently, my memory of it was quite hazy, after all.
The problem however, is that I don’t know the source or if it’s even a legitimate quote. Would you or anyone else happen to know which specific interview it was from?
Here’s the quote I was referring to:
"We did The Dream using the same Oberheim synthesizer setup as The Walk, using Japan as a reference, because I loved what Nye had got on their album Tin Drum, and I wanted something along those lines. We were off on a short holiday to electropopland!"
Also, after a couple more Google searches, I came across an excerpt from Chapter Nine of Jeff Apter’s “Never Enough: The Story of The Cure”. It seems that what the author said was basically the same as the quote from the forum post. Only this time, it’s a secondary source instead of a primary one. The two important excerpts from the book are listed below with the parts about Japan bolded and underlined.
“This time around, it would be just Smith and Tolhurst in the studio. For the five-day sessions that would generate the tracks, ‘The Upstairs Room’, which was written while bunking of Severin’s floor, ‘The Dream’, a re-recording of ‘Lament – Smith’s favourite track of the four, which he felt showed off his “romantic side” – and their next single ‘The Walk’, the duo chose to work with chain-smoking producer Steve Nye. Just like Thornalley, Nye had learned from the masters, having started out as an assistant engineer to Beatles producer George Martin, at AIR Studios in 1971. Amongst many subsequent productions, he had worked with XTC and Roxy Music and had co-produced Bryan Ferry’s solo outing In Your Mind. But Nye was best known to Smith for his work on Japan’s Tin Drum album from 1981, widely regarded as the finest hour of these dedicated followers of synth-pop fashion.”
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“It became even clearer that The Cure was on the rise when New Order, who’d risen from the ashes of Joy Division accused the band of plagiarism: the Mancunian’s ‘Blue Monday’, which appeared around the same time, bore some striking similarities to ‘The Walk’ – or was it the other way around?
“Plenty of people have ripped us off,” barked New Order’s Peter Hook, “but The Cure really take the piss sometimes.” Some years later Smith would defend himself when he revealed that if ‘The Walk’ was stealing from anyone, it was Japan, not New Order. And if there was any similarity between ‘The Walk’ and ‘Blue Monday’, he accredited to the fact that both bands fancied six-string basses.
Of course New Order would have the last laugh, because ‘Blue Monday’ became the highest-selling 12-inch single of all time, breaking the band in the States and finally helping to put the legacy of Ian Curtis to rest. But Hook’s comment said something about The Cure – they’d become serious players in the pop world, a band that couldn’t be ignored.”
Anyway, thank you for your help in trying to find the previously mentioned article. I apologise for my foggy recollections.
I have it!! In Ten Imaginary Years on page 67 there is a mention. Hang on a tick...
Edit. Here it is
steve,
Thank you for scanning a page from the “Ten Imaginary Years” book. I never read it before, so I had no idea Japan was mentioned in it. It looks like I now got a direct quote to work from, instead of another person’s account.
Speaking of the Cure and Japan, for the past couple of weeks, I have been sorting through various articles and interviews, and I noticed that Robert Smith and David Sylvian seemed to have a bit in common.
For starters, they both shared a recurring pattern of using forests and ghost in their work (Smith: “A Forest”, worked with a band called “And Also The Trees”, produced Tim Pope’s “I Want To Be A Tree”, “Fear of Ghost”, lyrics to “Untitled”“Hopelessly drift in the eyes of the ghost again”. Sylvian: “Ghost”, album and song titled “Brilliant Trees”, lyrics to “Nostalgia” “I'm cutting branches from the trees/to exorcise their ghosts from inside of me”). This might be because both artists were influenced by Nick Drake, who also used a similar concept (“Fruit Tree”, lyrics to “Northern Sky”…), or perhaps it’s all coincidental. I don’t think anyone knows for sure.
Japan and The Cure also had a special fondness for East Asian culture (Japan: often worked with Japanese musicians, “A Foreign Place”, “Tin Drum” album, “Temple of Dawn”. The Cure: “Just One Kiss”, “The Walk” EP, “Japanese Whispers” compilation, “Kyoto Song”, “A Japanese Dream”, Smith recited an ancient Japanese tea ceremony in a short film played during the 1987 “Kissing Tour”.) and both bands drew a lot of lyrical inspiration from literature and films (too many to mention). Could this mean that there is more to these artists then most people think, or is this poster just being delusional?
Well, it looks like I found everything I needed from here relating to the connection between the two bands. It has been nice discussing this subject with you and filling in such a large gap. Thank you for your time and patience.
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Coincidentally, Smith also said The Walk was more akin to Kraftwerk's "The Model" than Blue Monday.
She's a model and she's looking good I'd like to take her home that's understood Visiting time is over so we walk away We both play dead then cry out loud Blue Monday's not the song for me ... .. .
It's 3 am, I've had many drugs and have a new Morphine Patch on, that's my excuse.