Who remembers Mel, Melanie Goulder? She was at the Hammersmith gigs - that's where I met her anyway, she is currently in hospital fighting COVID, feel free to send best wishes to @pinkhairedgoth
Have looked her up on the twitters but I doubt she's reading much social media currently. Fingers & toes crossed that she comes out the other side okay
I've kept out of this thread, being the only anti vax in the village I thought I'd keep my mouth shut. I respect your thoughts..all's cool. Hope we can be cool with my thoughts too. Having worked in the health world for over 30 years it struck me that a government that has cared nothing for the proletariat with cardiovascular, with muscular skeletal, with bronchial and with balance issues, with a billion other issues, there was a sudden concern for all of humanity from a government regarding our health. I was and am suspicious. I've not known em to want to encourage well being before. And that this government, with all it's advisors and advice never once mentioned the immune system..they mentioned masks and not seeing your grandchild, not holding your mothers hand as she dies, but you can of course hold another persons mothers hand as she dies should you be an essential worker. It just seemed more of a muchness to me. So I'm against.
I've been gearing up for this for the last year...gearing up to become just a dealer* and have to quit the health world because I believe that stregnthening the immune system with exercise and diet is a better move than weakening it with pharmaceuticals. Just my belief...you can believe in Merc...I'll go with hip circles thanks. We're ok to disagree on choice of health yeah? I'm good with you putting your faith in Merc...can you be ok with me putting a faith in a Traditional Chinese Medicine that has worked well for over 7000 years? Or is it just wu wu to you? If it's wu wu..that's ok..that's ok...But it did not originate in California 1967..this stuff is tested well.
One of my rehab classes is just about to re open...Awesome place. The work that we've done there with cerebral palsy, MS, ME, Parkinsons, heroin addiction and on and on...Seriously astonishing place here in Lancaster. Just re opened and I've been asked am I double vaxxed? I cannot take on my job there because I do not trust my local drug dealer. My local drug dealer is to me a shady character, he's been doing dodgy things since 1945 and before; I wouldn't trust a Hells Angel to put a needle in my arm and I wouldn't trust my doctor either. So...I can no longer give people simple exercises to improve the immune system or to reduce the adrenaline flow and create and environment of repair.
No-one's going to shut you down elfink . We all have our own thoughts on medication based on what experts have told us for the main part & while some may disagree with your viewpoint, it's yours and at least you're not stood outside a vaccination/ testing centre threatening to lynch medical professionals or beating up anyone wearing a mask.
As to your first point, I wouldn't say they don't care. But it might appear that way with regards to covid due to the alarmingly rapid way it spreads. Which is something cardiovascular afflictions don't really do. That's perhaps why it feels more of a hype than it is. But it is certainly real. Whether it's under control now is a different question. It certainly seems to where I live.
Oh it's certainly real Steve yeah, I agree (and thank you for the 'you're ok' bit..I appreciate and want this : ), thanks ) And sure, heart attack does not spread. It is not a necessarry evil to live with either. It can easily be avoided. I'm cynical that a government that has promoted conditions to encourage heart failure is now promoting a pharmaceutical and an isolation to prevent an ailment that is only going to kill tank fodder. This is the first time in history that there has been an attempt to help preserve the life of tank fodder. And the preservaion attempt has not been 'exercise the immune system', it's been, do not see your grandchildren. Do not hold your eldests' first born child. But I gotta be careful here...I know I'm shouting 'Up the Wanderers', in the Man Utd part of the ground lol : )
My guess (& this is something I've prolly said way back in the thread) is that, from the outset, nobody really knew what to do because they'd never seen anything like it in their lifetime. Keeping people apart was the only way they could think of slowing the spread until a viable treatment was developed & in some way it worked. In conjunction with all that, a lot of authorities didn't even have any sort of plan for the event of a pandemic. I think that's pretty clear for everyone to see. But the biggest variable (problem's probably the wrong word) is people as they have a natural tendency to do what they want & not necessarily what they're told or asked to do which is why the restrictions (when they were in place) seemed a tad draconian. For my part, I didn't really do much other than be careful & help out a few people for whom it was risky to be in contact with potential carriers. Which was pretty much what was advised all along in Hungary. Now it seems to have subsided (kiss of death there) and things are pretty much back to normal. But, after such a long time, I have become a heck of a lot more aware of what I do & how I do things & how that affects others around me. & if it's had a similar effect on others, then that can only be good I think. The next one that comes along (& there will be a next time) hopefully everyone will be better prepared both medically and socially. If they're not, then we're really fcuked.
I've kept out of this thread, being the only anti vax in the village I thought I'd keep my mouth shut. I respect your thoughts..all's cool. Hope we can be cool with my thoughts too. Having worked in the health world for over 30 years it struck me that a government that has cared nothing for the proletariat with cardiovascular, with muscular skeletal, with bronchial and with balance issues, with a billion other issues, there was a sudden concern for all of humanity from a government regarding our health. I was and am suspicious. I've not known em to want to encourage well being before. And that this government, with all it's advisors and advice never once mentioned the immune system..they mentioned masks and not seeing your grandchild, not holding your mothers hand as she dies, but you can of course hold another persons mothers hand as she dies should you be an essential worker. It just seemed more of a muchness to me. So I'm against.
I can understand you are against a new vaccine (or any vaccine) although I don’t agree with it, I trust the people who work on that field even they will sure make mistakes. I don’t mind taking the risk.
What I don’t get is what exactly are you suspicious for. Are you suspicious of the goverments and the scientists, labs and health corporations of almost the whole planet? What are you exactly suggesting? What do you think they are doing to all of us under a complete and global secrecy? Don’t get me wrong, I’m just curious.
We all die eventually anyway so for me it was just down to how selfless I want to be... if I took the vaccine and died from it then so be it... but if it now means I don't passively cause the death of someone else I'm sure someone somewhere would thank me for that, if they knew, even if it means nothing to me.
I don't understand the need to be vaccinated for entry to places though, we can still catch it and we can still spread it, seems like oppression to me.
I've kept out of this thread, being the only anti vax in the village I thought I'd keep my mouth shut. I respect your thoughts..all's cool. Hope we can be cool with my thoughts too. Having worked in the health world for over 30 years it struck me that a government that has cared nothing for the proletariat with cardiovascular, with muscular skeletal, with bronchial and with balance issues, with a billion other issues, there was a sudden concern for all of humanity from a government regarding our health. I was and am suspicious. I've not known em to want to encourage well being before. And that this government, with all it's advisors and advice never once mentioned the immune system..they mentioned masks and not seeing your grandchild, not holding your mothers hand as she dies, but you can of course hold another persons mothers hand as she dies should you be an essential worker. It just seemed more of a muchness to me. So I'm against.
I can understand you are against a new vaccine (or any vaccine) although I don’t agree with it, I trust the people who work on that field even they will sure make mistakes. I don’t mind taking the risk.
What I don’t get is what exactly are you suspicious for. Are you suspicious of the goverments and the scientists, labs and health corporations of almost the whole planet? What are you exactly suggesting? What do you think they are doing to all of us under a complete and global secrecy? Don’t get me wrong, I’m just curious.
hahaha...great stuff, thanks ' don't get you wrong', don't get me started : )
Shall I? Ooooh ok then, just the iceberg tip here : ) My suspicion is that the ruling class protects the ruling class. That they will use and abuse the underclasses. When we are of use to them they will use us, when we are not they will subdue us. All of us can only speculate. I have to say, this one has been their best ever. It's the anniversary of 9 11 and anyone who wants to see twin towers dropping from inside implanted US bombs can see this. the evidence is there. Anyone who wants to see terrorist planes attacking can see this. It's there. 9 11 was a dumb move. It only worked for those that already believed in a Great United State protector of the Universe. It didn't work for those of us cynical. Hey mom, I can see the strings. This one was magical in its execution. For them to be looking the other way at first, well, that got all of us cynics crying for a lockdown. We asked to be Policed. We demanded it from a government that seemed to be looking the other way. They were superb this time around. Their motive? my only guess is ID control and political control. If we are the kind to do as we are told then we can go to the States for a holiday. Vaccine passport. Without one, no going to the States again. Jobs, etc etc. My only guess is that it divides us well. We can clearly see, via passport, who is an anarchist and who is not. And the anarchist can go dealing records rather than spread alternative message of health in a health world for just one example. Swith this for gas fitter or any occupation. Is just the tip of the iceberg : )
I can understand you are against a new vaccine (or any vaccine) although I don’t agree with it, I trust the people who work on that field even they will sure make mistakes. I don’t mind taking the risk.
What I don’t get is what exactly are you suspicious for. Are you suspicious of the goverments and the scientists, labs and health corporations of almost the whole planet? What are you exactly suggesting? What do you think they are doing to all of us under a complete and global secrecy? Don’t get me wrong, I’m just curious.
hahaha...great stuff, thanks ' don't get you wrong', don't get me started : )
Shall I? Ooooh ok then, just the iceberg tip here : ) My suspicion is that the ruling class protects the ruling class. That they will use and abuse the underclasses. When we are of use to them they will use us, when we are not they will subdue us. All of us can only speculate. I have to say, this one has been their best ever. It's the anniversary of 9 11 and anyone who wants to see twin towers dropping from inside implanted US bombs can see this. the evidence is there. Anyone who wants to see terrorist planes attacking can see this. It's there. 9 11 was a dumb move. It only worked for those that already believed in a Great United State protector of the Universe. It didn't work for those of us cynical. Hey mom, I can see the strings. This one was magical in its execution. For them to be looking the other way at first, well, that got all of us cynics crying for a lockdown. We asked to be Policed. We demanded it from a government that seemed to be looking the other way. They were superb this time around. Their motive? my only guess is ID control and political control. If we are the kind to do as we are told then we can go to the States for a holiday. Vaccine passport. Without one, no going to the States again. Jobs, etc etc. My only guess is that it divides us well. We can clearly see, via passport, who is an anarchist and who is not. And the anarchist can go dealing records rather than spread alternative message of health in a health world for just one example. Swith this for gas fitter or any occupation. Is just the tip of the iceberg : )
I can understand you are against a new vaccine (or any vaccine) although I don’t agree with it, I trust the people who work on that field even they will sure make mistakes. I don’t mind taking the risk.
What I don’t get is what exactly are you suspicious for. Are you suspicious of the goverments and the scientists, labs and health corporations of almost the whole planet? What are you exactly suggesting? What do you think they are doing to all of us under a complete and global secrecy? Don’t get me wrong, I’m just curious.
hahaha...great stuff, thanks ' don't get you wrong', don't get me started : )
Shall I? Ooooh ok then, just the iceberg tip here : ) My suspicion is that the ruling class protects the ruling class. That they will use and abuse the underclasses. When we are of use to them they will use us, when we are not they will subdue us. All of us can only speculate. I have to say, this one has been their best ever. It's the anniversary of 9 11 and anyone who wants to see twin towers dropping from inside implanted US bombs can see this. the evidence is there. Anyone who wants to see terrorist planes attacking can see this. It's there. 9 11 was a dumb move. It only worked for those that already believed in a Great United State protector of the Universe. It didn't work for those of us cynical. Hey mom, I can see the strings. This one was magical in its execution. For them to be looking the other way at first, well, that got all of us cynics crying for a lockdown. We asked to be Policed. We demanded it from a government that seemed to be looking the other way. They were superb this time around. Their motive? my only guess is ID control and political control. If we are the kind to do as we are told then we can go to the States for a holiday. Vaccine passport. Without one, no going to the States again. Jobs, etc etc. My only guess is that it divides us well. We can clearly see, via passport, who is an anarchist and who is not. And the anarchist can go dealing records rather than spread alternative message of health in a health world for just one example. Swith this for gas fitter or any occupation. Is just the tip of the iceberg : )
You should talk to Mort or maybe his wife would be better about this. I think you are way off & being incredibly selfish. The self centered me me me generation. You can couch it in all the wacky theories you want but its basically ignorance. If we don't learn from history (Spanish Flu, Bubonic Plague) we are doomed to repeat it. Modern science has pulled off a miracle with the vaccines & yet some would like to burn them at the stake for no valid reason. I'm more than half convinced that leper colonies for the anti-vaxxers are the answer. Same for the anti-mask contingent. That's nothing but vanity at best.
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