laperouse: WE ARE AWESOME! Let them talk about their stuff here, you and me will just go on researching our things.
History IS a science. And no, history isn't what you're reading in dodgy and sappy historical novels like "Pope Joan", it's a science, all with research, sources, theses & anti-theses, academic papers, conferences and all that stuff.
Hugs all over, M. Thank you so much. I am so into it, so it's pretty hard for me to deal with all those everyday-downsizing.
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ja ja, I was kidding. i´m a biologist, I get this "biology is not Natural science" all the time. I need to go bully on the once "below" me.
I do believe that history is science. if you are working with the "science-rules" then it is a science. every science is has it´s own restriction due to which experiments are possible to do.
but enlighten me please, how do you test a hypothesis?
In fact I don't know the science where so many different things must be unified to get some proper results. For example I must be real expert in paleography to deal with German letters from 17th or 18th century. And trust me - I am. For I have spent years and years in archives of Vienna and Graz to conclude my master and PhD. Of course comparative analysis and cross reference of different sources will give you idea about the stance of your hypothesis. You are always tending to find primal sources, and therefore paleography gains even more on importance. If you like I can send you some of my works.
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In fact I don't know the science where so many different things must be unified to get some proper results. For example I must be real expert in paleography to deal with German letters from 17th or 18th century. And trust me - I am. For I have spent years and years in archives of Vienna and Graz to conclude my master and PhD. Of course comparative analysis and cross reference of different sources will give you idea about the stance of your hypothesis. You are always tending to find primal sources, and therefore paleography gains even more on importance. If you like I can send you some of my works.
I am always keen to learn new things. history has never been an interest of mine, but my ex was quite into it, and he did manage to give a bit of interest. paleography does sound a bit interesting. have you done something in that subject?
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In fact I don't know the science where so many different things must be unified to get some proper results. For example I must be real expert in paleography to deal with German letters from 17th or 18th century. And trust me - I am. For I have spent years and years in archives of Vienna and Graz to conclude my master and PhD. Of course comparative analysis and cross reference of different sources will give you idea about the stance of your hypothesis. You are always tending to find primal sources, and therefore paleography gains even more on importance. If you like I can send you some of my works.
I am always keen to learn new things. history has never been an interest of mine, but my ex was quite into it, and he did manage to give a bit of interest. paleography does sound a bit interesting. have you done something in that subject?
I am not researching paleography as science, but just use it inside of my research of diplomacy in 18th century. Your ex was the man, right on track. Take care.
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I am not researching paleography as science, but just use it inside of my research of diplomacy in 18th century. Your ex was the man, right on track. Take care.
He was NOT the man. therefore my EX.
send me some of what you do. I would like to take a look at it. but something quite simple, as I´m not familiar with historical terms
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laperouse: You're into history of 18th/19th century? I've always been very fascinated by Prussian history and also by Catherine the Great. But my main interest has always been the 20th century, from the Republic of Weimar right up to the Cold War.
We used to call the archeologists "our little helpers" at uni. Mean, I know, and most probably not true. But you know, there's that lovely little word in German: "Hilfswissenschaft", yes, "HILFSwissenschaft", therefore archeology is not a proper science.
But misswillow: Back to your question. Didn't you do this back at school? In history? Analysing/comparing sources from different perspectives to prove or denounce a hypothesis? My pupils don't do anything else really...
But misswillow: Back to your question. Didn't you do this back at school? In history? Analysing/comparing sources from different perspectives to prove or denounce a hypothesis? My pupils don't do anything else really...
No, we didn´t. my history lessons have always sucked. going back to original sources and critically analyse sources, is something you inevitable learn at the university when you are reading scientific literature. we also see a bit of it in the gymnasium, at larger projects. but actually I have never been taught it as a subject
I´m really glad to hear your pupils are learning this. it is an really important thing to be able to do in all aspects of life.
I surely wish a lot of people here had learned that!. sometimes people believe the most ridiculously things, because they are not critical towards what they read.
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The world is neither fair nor unfair - It's just us trying to feel that there's some sense in it
I am not researching paleography as science, but just use it inside of my research of diplomacy in 18th century. Your ex was the man, right on track. Take care.
He was NOT the man. therefore my EX.
send me some of what you do. I would like to take a look at it. but something quite simple, as I´m not familiar with historical terms
that's the good one regarding ex.
OK, I will send in upcoming weeks, when I return to Bern, but it will most probably be boring to death.
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laperouse: You're into history of 18th/19th century? I've always been very fascinated by Prussian history and also by Catherine the Great. But my main interest has always been the 20th century, from the Republic of Weimar right up to the Cold War.
We used to call the archeologists "our little helpers" at uni. Mean, I know, and most probably not true. But you know, there's that lovely little word in German: "Hilfswissenschaft", yes, "HILFSwissenschaft", therefore archeology is not a proper science.
Yes, M. I am in diplomatic history of 18th century. Mainly Austrian diplomacy exactly in the times of Maria Theresa and Joseph II, so Frederick II and Catherine II included. I love all periods of German history, but the era of Austrian-Prussian duality is still my favourite. And Weimar is splendid, both in 18th century and in period 1919-1933. Yes, I share your opinion about Hilfswissenschaft.
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laperouse: Have you ever been to Weimar? If not, you definitely need to! It's a very beautiful town - and LOADS to see if you're into history (and/or literature)!
laperouse: Have you ever been to Weimar? If not, you definitely need to! It's a very beautiful town - and LOADS to see if you're into history (and/or literature)!
Sorry, M. Somehow skipped this. Never been to Weimar, unfortunately. But I am aware of "potential" there. Love Sturm und Drang-era pretty much.
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laperouse: Have you ever been to Weimar? If not, you definitely need to! It's a very beautiful town - and LOADS to see if you're into history (and/or literature)!
Sorry, M. Somehow skipped this. Never been to Weimar, unfortunately. But I am aware of "potential" there. Love Sturm und Drang-era pretty much.
I really like Goethe. You should definitely try to visit Thüringen one day, we've got awesome food & beer, legendary barbecues and so much more. The whole region is worth a visit, Weimar, Jena & Eisenach (with the famous Wartburg). You know, it's a rather small Bundesland, so you could see pretty much all of it in a short period of time, haha.