Since joining CCC back in 2010 and subsequently continuing the forum tradition on here we have all come to know this site www.cure-concerts.de as the definitive listing of ALL The Cure concerts yes?
Well there is a dispute on my The Cure LIVE FB group about one concert (and others in that era it seems now) 1979-12-12 that it does not exist.
One of the members posted a site that speaks about The Cure's live concerts. This one The Cure Timeline
In response to that site a member posted this: "Very cool, but inaccurate. 12/12/79 milkeyweg [he spelled it wrong yes] was canceled due to his [Lol's father] after being sick or passing. Was played in january. Pretty sure most December shows were resheduled. I could be wrong, but don't thibk I am. The bootleg for that show matches a track on curiosities with the presumed correct date since robert used his recordings for curiosities."
So if the above is true Then 1979's Melkweg (spelled correctly) is not correct? I am certainly not an expert of all things Cure but I have always thought of cure-concerts.de to be the absolute most accurate. Discussion please....
If you have Ten Imaginary Years, flip to page 33. You'll see they indeed did play Amsterdam in 79. They spent January of 1980 rehearsing the Seventeen Seconds stuff.
If you have Ten Imaginary Years, flip to page 33. You'll see they indeed did play Amsterdam in 79. They spent January of 1980 rehearsing the Seventeen Seconds stuff.
In The Cure Community I trust. I do have it! In fact I'm looking right at it. It never moves from my book shelf.
In response to that site a member posted this: "Very cool, but inaccurate. 12/12/79 milkeyweg [he spelled it wrong yes] was canceled due to his [Lol's father] after being sick or passing. Was played in january. Pretty sure most December shows were resheduled. I could be wrong, but don't thibk I am. The bootleg for that show matches a track on curiosities with the presumed correct date since robert used his recordings for curiosities."
Very unlikely that most dec 79 shows have been rescheduled as several of these have been proven to be correct (Paris Bootleg, Uccle Photos, others with Fan reports, ...). Infact the Amsterdam show has that "not 100% sure" stigma just because of the 15th january 1980 thing. However the most common explanation for that date was that the Concert played on 12th december 1979 was broadcasted on Dutch Radio on 15th january 1980. Don't know if thats the truth, however i think if they'd skipped the 12. dec and played it on 15th jan because of Lols Dad it would have been noted in Ten Imaginary years book just like the story about his mother died when they played Netherlands in June 1981
Ten Imaginary Years, of course is the "most accurate" info we (used to) have for so many years; but I remember back in 90's I had the same doubt about this Amsterdam gig. By that time, I had only 2 books to read: one it was TIY, and the other one: A Visual Documentary. I have this book in some box over there, but I remember it says something like: "they make a break of the 17 seconds recording (or rehearsals) in January due a Dutch gig; one song of this concert is on Curiosity,, blah blah blah..." I think is more probably a December 12 exact date but...
PS: I love this kind of "discussions", I wish I have a better english...
but I remember it says something like: "they make a break of the 17 seconds recording (or rehearsals) in January due a Dutch gig; one song of this concert is on Curiosity,, blah blah blah..."
Yes you are right.
Visual Documentary says:
15 JANUARY 1980 The band take time off from the album sessions to fulfil a Dutch engagement. A version of ’In Your House’, recorded here is later included on ’Curiosity’ .
but the both previous text say:
7 DECEMBER 1979 Crawley College, the last night of the tour. “It was good fun in the bus but it wasn’t so much fun in the concerts. We gradually fell out and actually came to blows with The Passions. The Associates were always on our side. Apart from Clair (vocalist) The ' Passions were always very difficult — they had very peculiar ideologies.”
Following the completion of the tour, The Cure head for the continent again for an 11-date tour, including three shows in Eindhoven, Amsterdam and Paris.
13 JANUARY 1980 Sessions for the band’s second album commence at Morgan Studios. Robert chooses to produce, with Mike Hedges.
And this is what Ten Imaginary Boys Book tells about
ln December, the foursome also travelled abroad together tor the first time. On the 10th, they played Elndhoven.
Robert: “We all really went to town. We thought ‘This is it - the start of a new era’! We had a day off and got taken to a cafe in the morning where we ended up drinking 13 bottles of red wine between the four of us. Later, Lol went into a coma. We were sitting in someone’s room back at the hotel when he suddenly started screaming and flipped out. He went running down the corridor puking up red wine everywhere, ”
Simon: “Me and Robert followed the trail — like a sick paper-chase. Really good.”
Robert: “He kept going into different corridors, trying his key in different doors so, eventually, I took pity on him and let him in my room where he commenced to enter the bathroom with, he said, the intention of committing suicide.”
Lol: “They were all banging on the toilet door, going ‘Let us in! Let us in!” and l greening “Let me die! Let me die!’ I lay with my face in the turned on shower for hours, woke up about five in the morning and crawled to bed.”
Robert: “l pissed in his suitcase as retaliation; he was still alive!”
The Cure played in Amsterdam and then Paris, where they made the gossip columns of the British music papers by getting lost and refusing to eat lobster boiled alive. They then turned to Britain where Robert told Blank Space: “We’ll be forgotten very quickly if we don’t do something good the next time around. L accept that . . . ”
On 3 January 1980, rehearsals commenced for the ‘17 Seconds’ album at Robert’s house. From 13th to 20th, they recorded all 11 tracks at Morgan and between 4th and 10th of February, they were all mixed — a fairly swift process enhanced by many of the songs having already been played live.
Parry: “The last time we’d worked at Morgan, they’d stayed at my house to keep the costs down but not this time. Robert didn't want to, it affronted him, he said it felt like walking back.
“On the first day in the studio, I was fiddling about with the snare drum and Robert came on the microphone and said ‘Don’t bother Bill, it’s not what we want’. Well, I thought, the guy’s obviously got his …..
contrary informations, however more informations that make the 15th jan date sound like being false ... to my point of view.